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German Birth Certificate - Need assistance to decipher
« on: Friday 27 October 17 01:02 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

Finally managed to track down a copy of my Great Grandfathers birth certificate from Saxony.
Trouble is it came as a photocopy with no translation.

Can anybody make sense of what it says?
I am particularly interested in the fathers and mothers names etc.

I have added a higher resolution copy to drop box -
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fbx0u7qpd1odnjv/Birth%20Cert.pdf?dl=0

Regards,

Phil


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Re: German Birth Certificate - Need assistance to decipher
« Reply #1 on: Friday 27 October 17 03:58 BST (UK) »
Hi phiblack,

here's just for the beginning:

Mother's name: Antonia Helena GROßE, nee MEYER

Father's name: Edmund GROßE

Should you want a complete translation of the certificate, let me know. In this case I'd need a bit more time as the working day is just starting here in Good Old Germany.

Rgds from Hamburg,
Giselap

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Re: German Birth Certificate - Need assistance to decipher
« Reply #2 on: Friday 27 October 17 04:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Giselap,

Many thanks for what you have done so far.
We always knew the mothers name may have been Helena but never knew it was actually Antonia!

If you have the time a complete translation would be fantastic.

Regards,

Phil

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Re: German Birth Certificate - Need assistance to decipher
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 28 October 17 00:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Phil,

here we go again.
 
Sorry it took me a bit longer. I hardly ever manage to work on my PC at home much before midnight.

As I didn't know how well you were/are able to read the original certificate I transcribed it before translation:

Wurzen, am 5. Februar 1887

Vor dem unterzeichneten Standesbeamten erschien heute, der Persönlichkeit nach

bekannt,
die Hebamme Frau Dorothea Henrietta Weiser geborene Müller
wohnhaft zu Wurzen,Färbergasse Nr. 22 ______
________ Religion, und zeigte an, daß von der
Antonia Helena Große geborene Meyer,
Ehefrau des Bildhauers Edmund Große,
beide lutherischer Religion,
wohnhaft bei ihrem Ehemanne zu Wurzen,
Dresdenerstraße Nr.19
zu Wurzen in der Wohnung ihres Ehemannes
am einunddreißigsten Januar des Jahres
tausend acht hundert achtzig und sieben Vormittags
um fünf ____ Uhr ein Kind männlichen
Geschlechtes geboren worden sei, welches den _____ Vornamen
Paul _____________________________
erhalten habe. Die Frau Weiser erklärte, daß sie bei
der Niederkunft der Ehefrau Große zugegen
gewesen sei.
Vorgelesen, genehmigt und unterschrieben
Dorothea Henrietta Weiser
____________
Der Standesbeamte.
In Vertretung, Weiser(?)



TRANSLATION

Wurzen, February 5, 1887

Today before the undersigned registrar appeared the midwife Mrs. Dorothea Henriette WEISER, nee MÜLLER, personally known,
living in Wurzen, Färbergasse No.22,
and announced that Antonia Helena GROßE, nee MEYER, wife of sculptor Edmund GROßE,
both of Lutheran denomination,
living together with her husband in Wurzen, Dresdenerstraße No.19,
on January 31, 1887 at five o'clock am at her husband's dwelling in Wurzen
gave birth to a child of male sex , who received the Christian name Paul.

Mrs. WEISER declared that she attended Mrs. GROßE's confinement.

Read aloud, accepted and signed
Dorothea Henrietta Weiser
The Registrar
for, Weiser(?)

Hope the translation gives you some more useful info on your great grandfather's family.
Rgds,
Gisela


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Re: German Birth Certificate - Need assistance to decipher
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 28 October 17 01:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Gisela,

You are fantastic!
That is absolutely brilliant. After all these years we now know an address, a religion and an occupation (a sculptor no less).

I really appreciate you taking the time to do this for me.
Hopefully one day I can return the favour.

Best wishes,

Phil

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Re: German Birth Certificate - Need assistance to decipher
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 28 October 17 21:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Phil,

always glad to help :)

Just being curious: Was Paul Große anything like an artist as well?

Don't know whether you are able to help me with my HASSA/STEINER family. Seem to have lost track of some of them in New Jersey, USA, e.g. of Stefan HASSA *1847 in Austria, a widower who immigrated on 13.10.1908 from Antwerp on SS Zeeland.
His 1. known residence (1908) was: 514 Elm St, West Hoboken, NJ at his son's Stefan (Stephan) HASSA address!!
Have found him on Ellis Island Records and Familysearch, but seem to be unable to trace him after 1908. Did he die in the USA or return to Austria ???

Already posted a similar query on the USA Lookup requests... but so far Stefan seems to just have vanished in the haze of family history  :(

However, should you need further help with older (German) documents, just let me know again and I'll see what I can do for you.

Have a nice weekend,
Rgds from stormy Hamburg,
Gisela

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Re: German Birth Certificate - Need assistance to decipher
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 29 October 17 00:45 BST (UK) »

We always knew the mothers name may have been Helena but never knew it was actually Antonia!


I think you'll find that Helena was the name given to her by her parents.  The first given names were usually the name of a godparent/sponsor - church records show the names and occupations of those people, who were usually people of standing in the area and/or relatives.

If your family are the same as my Saxony ancestors they'll also use the English naming pattern of 1st son named after paternal grandfather, 2nd son named after maternal grandfather, etc.  I was surprised your record only showed one godparent as I found that there were usually two or three. For girls; two godmothers and one godfather;  for boys; three godfathers  or two godfathers and one godmother.
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

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Re: German Birth Certificate - Need assistance to decipher
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 29 October 17 05:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gisela,

I don't think Paul was an artist. He died before I was born - but i do know he was musical. I recall my father having a large collection of Harmonicas that Paul had left him.

As for your query I am not sure how much help I can be - I am located in Australia, so US or Austrian research isn't too easy from here. :-)

Regards,

Phil

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Re: German Birth Certificate - Need assistance to decipher
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 29 October 17 06:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rena,

Thanks for the further information regarding first names. That is very interesting.
Eventually when I work out how to do so, I will have to track down church records on the family and see what they reveal.

I am not sure if my great grandfather was a first child otherwise I could have made a guess that his grandfather may have been named Paul.
Family lore states he was one of many children but you just never know. This is the first step in the journey for me. Now I need to dig deeper and work out the next step!

Regards,

Phil