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Who were Betsy Derham's parents?
« on: Friday 27 October 17 15:41 BST (UK) »
Betsy Derham married James Hough on 29 Dec 1833 in Christchurch, Hants. witnesses Mary Ann Derham and John Lemmon. They have three known children, Mary Ann b 13 Apr 1884 bapt 14 May 1834, Elizabeth bapt 6 Aug 1836 and Margaret birth reg Q3 1839 Christchurch mmn Derham.

Betsy appears on 1841 census as Elizabeth Hough age 25 with Elizabeth and Margaret.

Piece: 397 Book: 3 Folio: 17 Page: 26

I think oldest daughter Mary is the Mary with Jane Derham age 65 (widow)

Piece: 397 Book: 3 Folio: 21 Page Number: 34

This makes me think Jane is Betsy's mother, but Betsy was nbic, in fact it looks like an I in the last column (for Ireland).

I can't find any of the Houghs on later censuses, nor can I find James Hough in 1841, but no sign of a death record for him.  I can't find a likely Mary Ann (witness) either. She could be sister and might have married by 1841.
Any suggestions please.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Who were Betsy Derham's parents?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 28 October 17 12:13 BST (UK) »
Pretty certain that 1841 census is not intending to say Elizabeth HOUGH 25, was born in Ireland - and that the mark in the last column (Scotland, Ireland or Foreign birth) is not an I.  If it were it would have instead been written much like the I for the person so marked on the facing page. 

I would go with the N, written in the English Birth Column, Not Born in County

HO107 Piece 397 - Book 3 - Folio 17- Pg2, Christchurch Hampshire

For our lookers ref: Jane Derham 65,  Y - born in Hampshire, is in Christchurch, here:
HO107 Piece: 397; Book: 3; Folio: 21; Page: 34

She appears to have died 1850, age 72. GRO Death registered, Christchurch.

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AMBLY

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Re: Who were Betsy Derham's parents?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 28 October 17 12:23 BST (UK) »
Thank you, I was uncertain about the I in the last column, it did look a bit more like a slip of the pen.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Who were Betsy Derham's parents?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 28 October 17 12:44 BST (UK) »
A Mary Ann DERHAM married Christchurch, Mar Qtr 1842:
To George HEAD.

Birth GRO: George HEAD, D Qtr 1843, Christchurch, mms DERHAM
Birth GRO: Tom HEAD, J Qtr 1848, Christchurch, mms DERHAM
Birth GRO: John HEAD, D Qtr 1850, Christchurch, mms DERHAM

1851 CENSUS: Stanpit, Christchurch, Hampshire
HO107; Piece: 1667; Folio: 112; Page: 10;
Head: George HEAD 36, Wheelwright, b Cheriton,  Somerset
Wife: Mary A HEAD 40, b Woolwich Kent
Sons: George 7, Tom 3, John 4 mths - all born Christchurc

Can't d find in 1861 or 1881.

In 1871, Mary Ann presents as age 57 (b abt 1814), Woolwich

On an A*Y tree, for Mary Ann & family, it states she died 1882, and that there is no father listed on her marriage cert.

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Re: Who were Betsy Derham's parents?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 28 October 17 13:58 BST (UK) »
Thanks, a good lead on Mary Ann. I think I now have her in 1841 as a servant nbic

Piece 397 Book 4 Folio 3 Page 7

If she was born Woolwich could be her father was in the army.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Who were Betsy Derham's parents?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 28 October 17 14:06 BST (UK) »
Searching baptisms in Woolwich, there's a Mary Ann DURHAM bapt 12 April 1811 and Elizabeth DURHAM bapt 9 Sep 1813, parents of both are Michael and Jane.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Who were Betsy Derham's parents?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 28 October 17 14:17 BST (UK) »
Also baptism at Winchester,  Michael s/o Michael and Jane Durham bapt 6 Oct 1808
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Who were Betsy Derham's parents?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 28 October 17 14:23 BST (UK) »
 ;D That looks very promising!
I wish I could find her (Mary Ann ) in 1861 and 1881,,,,,,,,
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Re: Who were Betsy Derham's parents?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 29 October 17 16:50 GMT (UK) »

Hi,

The image for Elizabeth's baptism shows,

Elizabeth DURHAM
Born:  09 Sep 1813
Baptised: 01 Oct 1813
St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich
Daur of Michael and Jane
Abode:  Woolwich
Profession:  Gunner in the Artillery


There may have also been another daughter Sarah,

Sarah Ann DURHAM
Born:  06 Dec 1809
Baptised:  29 Dec 1809
St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich
Parents:  Michael and Jane 

This could be her burial but as it doesn't show an age it's hard to be sure,

Sarah Ann DURHAM
Burial date:  13 Mar 1810
St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich



I have found Mary Ann (DURHAM) HEAD transcribed at Ancestry as HECK, they also have Lucy Mother down as Leroy father ::)

1861  RG9/666  f.102  p.12 Christchurch, Hampshire
Stanpit, Ship in Distress

HEAD
George     Head    46    Wheelwright and Publican    Somerset
Maryann    Wife    48                                                  Woolwich
George       Son    17                                                  Hampshire Christchurch
Tom            Son    13    Scholar                                           "               "
John           Son    10    Scholar                                           "               "
Lucy   Mother  W  86                                                   N.K.



In 1881 she is still at the "Ship in Distress" but she is dittoed as being born in Christchurch,

1881  RG11/1193  f.36  p.11  Stanpit, Christchurch, Hampshire
Ship in Distress

HEAD
John             Head    29    Innkeeper and Wheelwright     
Sarah             Wife    30
Sarah L.         Daur     6    Scholar
Mary J            Daur     4        "
Frederic           Son     3        "
Mary A    Mother    W     68
George CLARK  Lodger  17    Fisherman

All born Hants Christchurch,


The "Ship in Distress" is still there just Google :)
 
 
Regards,
Daisy
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