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Re: John Joseph Victor Boyd
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 31 October 17 06:21 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both so much. Yes I gave up with the lists On Groni . Have written to Proni and looking forward to seeing what they can do. Thought the article on him was interesting --and its the first photo I have seen of him.
Possible Marriage to an Ellen Mcbride in Belfast. April-June 1913 Vol 1 page 499

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Re: John Joseph Victor Boyd
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 31 October 17 09:57 GMT (UK) »

Possible Marriage to an Ellen Mcbride in Belfast. April-June 1913 Vol 1 page 499

That's not it, I am afraid. That 1913 April – Jun possible marriage was between John Boyd (army pensioner) & Eliza Gibson. The marriage actually took place on 29.1.1913 but was registered late which is why it appears in the indexes for Apr – Jun. See:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09879/5588603.pdf

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Re: John Joseph Victor Boyd
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 31 October 17 14:55 GMT (UK) »
thanks. Back to the drawing board.

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Re: John Joseph Victor Boyd
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 11 November 17 20:41 GMT (UK) »
Hello
By way of update.
From the will  of JJV Boyd now obtained from Proni ,I know his wife was Ellen Leathem of Arbor Hill ,Blairs , Lisburn. The will was signed in 1939.

the will mentions  'to my wife in trust for my child or children I leave' --however no names  are given for any children and and I wonder if in fact they had any. Take the point that names not searchable on line and may need to ring Groni.

I found the marriage on Groni in 1937. John JV Boyd married late, age 50 and his wife was 39. They marry at All Saints COI Eglantine ,Lisburn.
Witnesses are his brother James George Boyd ( from Limerick) and a Sarah McBride Leathem who could be a sister but I think is an Aunt.

I only found one birth that appears to tie in with Ellen s age ( as taken from her Marriage record) . That is of 4 Oct 1897 at Railway Street Lisburn. Father a Williams James Leathem and mother a Mary Jane Leathem nee Walsh .
I think I have found the correct family on the 1901 census at The Maze Co Down . But there is another family at Downpatrick that is a possible.
However sticking with the Maze family for now I have found what is the family on the 1911 census at Magherageery .
 The confusing thing is that the children of William James are down as nieces and nephews ? There is a death recorded in Lisburn oct -Dec 1904 Mary Jane Leathem age 31 which may be the correct family.

The Head of the house is a Sarah Leathem age 80 and William J and others are listed as Son.
There is a Daughter Sarah Leathem age 41 --who I think she may be the witness on Ellens marraige record but not certain.

Particularly interested in this new information and wonder if Ellen Leathem was a distant relative. JJV Boyds mother was a Sarah Latham ( Co Cork) and his Aunt Jane Latham was still residing with him in the early 1930s and is mentioned in the will.
Did he move from Limerick to The Maze ( on the 1911 census at 38 Culcavy maze) because he had extended family in the area. Surprised how many  Leathem families in the area.

Not sure were to go with this next. But father to  William James  Leathem mentioned above was also a William Leathem and on 15 Sept 1858 he married Sarah Shaw in Lisburn. The 1901 census has him aged 73 at Magherageery ( maze , in House36 )  and the list of names reads agross well to the 1911 census where is widow Sarah is head of the house but living at house 1 in Magherageery.

I think he is buried at Blaris Old Graveyard Lisburn. No photo of the stone on line but a ID of 17641709. His father was an Edward Leathem.  Perhaps it would be better to start another thread for them ?


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Re: John Joseph Victor Boyd
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 14 November 17 21:50 GMT (UK) »

... I found the marriage on Groni in 1937. John JV Boyd married late, age 50 and his wife was 39. They marry at All Saints COI Eglantine ,Lisburn.
Witnesses are his brother James George Boyd ( from Limerick) and a Sarah McBride Leathem who could be a sister but I think is an Aunt ....


A possibility for Sarah McBride Leathem as follows...

1. Farmer William Leathem and Sarah Shaw of Magherageery, Blaris, had a son Samuel in 1868:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/supp_births/2349998x.pdf
 
2. Samuel Leathem of Blaris, son of William a farmer, married Agnes McBride in All Saints (CoI) Eglantine in 1903:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10223/5720983.pdf

3. Samuel Leathem and Agnes McBride had a daughter Sarah in Belfast later the same year:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01852/1722045.pdf

The family in Belfast in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Falls__Belfast_/Grosvenor_Road/180973/


...However sticking with the Maze family for now I have found what is the family on the 1911 census at Magherageery .
 The confusing thing is that the children of William James are down as nieces and nephews ? There is a death recorded in Lisburn oct -Dec 1904 Mary Jane Leathem age 31 which may be the correct family.

The Head of the house is a Sarah Leathem age 80 and William J and others are listed as Son.
There is a Daughter Sarah Leathem age 41 --who I think she may be the witness on Ellens marraige record but not certain ...


Is this Sarah not just another daughter of William Leatham and Sarah Shaw of Magherageery?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03489/2282542.pdf


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Re: John Joseph Victor Boyd
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 14 November 17 23:00 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much . Really interested in the information on Samuel and his wife.
Yes Sarah aged 41 is farmer Williams daughter.

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Re: John Joseph Victor Boyd
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 14 November 17 23:05 GMT (UK) »
Not sure what you have or don't have, for example, the Boyd - Latham (Walker) marriage?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11103/8064059.pdf

Note father's peripatetic occupation, I'm not yet getting any sense that the Latham/Leatham presence was substantial or long standing in Cork or Limerick (eg. from looking at the tithe applotments books and Griffith's Valuation), it could well be that Thomas went to Cork to teach.

Is this possibly a child from the previous marriage for Sarah?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03255/2192882.pdf

Christened shortly after in Ballyclogh parish, father a.k.a. Henry:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRW5-GYK

Maybe also a son James and a daughter Elizabeth Jane?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03329/2220379.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03204/2174859.pdf

A possibility for the previous marriage?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYSR-52X
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYS1-53N

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Re: John Joseph Victor Boyd
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 15 November 17 09:00 GMT (UK) »
Thank you again for all the information. Yes The Latham family in Co Cork and Boyds are manily teachers. Interested in your idea that they might have moved south to teach.
Thomas Latham grandfather to the JJV Boyd in this tread was baptised in 1807 Dunmanway Co Cork. No record of parents marriage in area --and the church records in the area dont go back enough.
Siblings of Thomas the grandfather mentioned above are  born  in Schull and Dunmanway area. This Thomas after a teaching carer moves to Limerick to live with the Boyds( his daughter is Sarah Latham/Walker/Boyd) and they are at St Michaels School, Barrington Road, Limerick . So as your surmissed --not a Latham presence in Limerick really.

As to the Cork pressence it may have only been from early 1800. Dont know what the father Thomas ( senior) did . Was he also a teacher ?Could he have moved from the North to the South ?? We cant find him --althrough we know from the births of some of his children that he was in Schull as late as 1823 (his  daughter Mary born then). We think he and his wife are dead by 1835 as this daughter is living with her brother Thomas ( grandfather to JJV Boyd. Can not find a burial record for their father Thomas senior or his wife who we think was a margaret Sullivan or o'Sullivan.

So hence by interest in this marriage of JJV Boyd and Leathem. The naming within her family is similiarly to that in my Co Cork Lathams. Could there be a connection --who knows .
Making good progress thanks to all the help from those on Roots chat over the years to understanding this Latham  family but have not been able to find out when they went to Co Cork or were they came from. The key may lie around their time  Skull but have strugged to find any  records for Thomas senior . What happened to him and were did he come from. ??

Very many thanks .

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Re: John Joseph Victor Boyd
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 04 October 20 18:31 BST (UK) »
the will mentions  'to my wife in trust for my child or children I leave' --however no names  are given for any children and and I wonder if in fact they had any.
tempogold Yes JJV Boyd did have a daughter and I am her son (JJVs grandson). What is your interest in JJV?