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Frank Elliott: Gateshead, foundling, Elliott's of Birtley
« on: Friday 03 November 17 20:21 GMT (UK) »
Hello there,

I'm wondering if anyone can shed some light on who would be my 3x great grandfather Frank Elliott.
I have found some information, but it's driving me slight loopy looking for more.

I believe that he was born in 1832, and was a foundling left on the doorstep of the Taylor family in Gateshead. I have found this information on-line and he is linked to the Elliott's of Birtley folk music family. From what I can find he was registered in census' as a Taylor but then reverted to Elliott later creating the Elliott family. I have read he had a tag around his neck when he was found on the door step giving him the name Frank Elliott. He died around 1903, married a lady called Margaret (?surname) and his son Lancelot was my 2x great grandfather.

There is some family rumour/mystery that he was the illegitimate son of a Lord of the North East of England too, I'm very curious as to if this is true.

Thanks in advance,
GinLover.  ;)


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Re: Frank Elliott: Gateshead, foundling, Elliott's of Birtley
« Reply #1 on: Friday 03 November 17 20:31 GMT (UK) »
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He died around 1903, married a lady called Margret (?surname) and his son Lancelot was my 2x great grandfather.


Using the GRO index and checking Lancelot and some of his siblings' births, Margaret's maiden name was RIDLEY

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Re: Frank Elliott: Gateshead, foundling, Elliott's of Birtley
« Reply #2 on: Friday 03 November 17 21:11 GMT (UK) »
He married as Taylor it seems

Francis Taylor
Marriage date   25 Oct 1851
Marriage place   Gateshead, Durham
Spouse Margaret Ridley
Record set   England Marriages 1538-1973

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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Frank Elliott: Gateshead, foundling, Elliott's of Birtley
« Reply #3 on: Friday 03 November 17 21:24 GMT (UK) »
If he was a foundling with only a name tag, saying his name was "Frank Elliot", how do you know he was related to the "Elliots of Birtley, musical family?" I find it a little odd that a child left on someone's doorstep would have been named?

If his given name was Frank you also might like to consider searching for him as "Frances".

What is the source for the information you have about Frank being a foundling?

Unless he was named in a will as illegitmate son of said Lord, I'm not sure if it will be possible to prove that story. I think lots of stories were concocted to cover illegitimacy - and often family stories tend to play up this kind of thing. It sounds mrore acceptable to say an illegitimate ancestor was a product of the local Gentry and a servant than the product of a roll in the hay with a farm boy. (Though of course both are possible.  ;):) It could be worth investigating DNA testing.

It could also be worth considering that Frank was the child of the Taylors, but for some reason changed his surname to Elliot?

These are just a few thoughts from a superficial reading of your question, and without looking further into the family, so may or may not be relevant.  :)


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Re: Frank Elliott: Gateshead, foundling, Elliott's of Birtley
« Reply #4 on: Friday 03 November 17 21:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi all, in 1851 he is Francis Elliot 19 b NK Durham with Ridley family in Chester Le Street
Census Ref HO107/2394/636/12
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Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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Re: Frank Elliott: Gateshead, foundling, Elliott's of Birtley
« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 November 17 21:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi all, in 1851 he is Francis Elliot 19 b NK Durham with Ridley family in Chester Le Street
Census Ref HO107/2394/636/12
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Strange that he was calling himself Elliot in that census yet a few months later married as Taylor. He would have been under 21, could that have anything to do with it i.e had to have the Taylor's permission?
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Re: Frank Elliott: Gateshead, foundling, Elliott's of Birtley
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 November 17 21:44 GMT (UK) »
The only Francis possible I could locate in 1841 was:-

Margaret Taylor 22
William 20
Grace 18
Francis 9 Not born in county
Residing at Wrekenton, Gateshead
Census Ref HO107/296/ 12/28 / 10
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EDIT at same address a Grace Taylor 57
Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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Re: Frank Elliott: Gateshead, foundling, Elliott's of Birtley
« Reply #7 on: Friday 03 November 17 21:44 GMT (UK) »
Interesting in 1871 he is down as having been born in Surrey.
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Re: Frank Elliott: Gateshead, foundling, Elliott's of Birtley
« Reply #8 on: Friday 03 November 17 22:26 GMT (UK) »
Am dipping in and out of this with distractions so apologies if I get anything wrong, but ....

How many instances are there of him being "Elliot" as opposed to Taylor? (Wondering if a census error)