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Re: I am well and truly stuck, Edith Cree.
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 04 November 17 13:53 GMT (UK) »
Death: CREE, SARAH  ANN  age   32     
GRO Reference: 1896  J Quarter in NEWARK  Volume 07B  Page 229   

So he was a widower, still does not explain why the switch between surnames  ???

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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
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Bray - Cornwall

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Re: I am well and truly stuck, Edith Cree.
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 04 November 17 14:20 GMT (UK) »
Think I found the connection

1861 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M76S-YMF transcribed as Halady

1871 census has Walter Penson (1859) son with mother Eliza and Hallady? Penson

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB6R-TYJ

So looks like he was born Cree.

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:    
CREE, WALTER       - 
GRO Reference: 1859  M Quarter in NEWARK  Volume 07B  Page 297   

1851 Eliza & family https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGDY-ZZP

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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: I am well and truly stuck, Edith Cree.
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 04 November 17 15:03 GMT (UK) »
Cas

thank you , I am still with you  :)

just trying to get my head round it  :)

Eilleen
EXTON, from Rutland, Stamford, Boston, Lincoln. LANES, from Coleby,to Bracebridge Lincoln.WAKEFIELD,PROUDMAN Cheshire and  Stafford.
PINDAR, MOORE, ,CHAMBERS mostly from Lincolnshire.
LAING from Elgin ,Scotland.
 HADDELSEY from Caistor,and Grimsby Lincolnshire.                   
 Parfitt, Le Gros ,Le Sueur, from Jersey.
Martin, from Doncaster  to whelyn garden city, London.
BINT, Worchester, in Australian mint.

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Re: I am well and truly stuck, Edith Cree.
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 04 November 17 15:11 GMT (UK) »
Marriages Dec Q 1861 
CREE    Eliza        Newark    7b   501    
PONSON    Halladay        Newark    7b   501    

He was years older than Eliza

Think Walter knocked a few years off his in later census  as Lois was younger

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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: I am well and truly stuck, Edith Cree.
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 04 November 17 15:36 GMT (UK) »
Cas .

Thank you so much , I believe it is all falling in to place ,

I am so grateful, my genealogy head is not what it use to be  ::) ::)

but one afternoon with you , has made Me not give up  8)

you can now have the title of    Detective Cas. :)

Eilleen.
EXTON, from Rutland, Stamford, Boston, Lincoln. LANES, from Coleby,to Bracebridge Lincoln.WAKEFIELD,PROUDMAN Cheshire and  Stafford.
PINDAR, MOORE, ,CHAMBERS mostly from Lincolnshire.
LAING from Elgin ,Scotland.
 HADDELSEY from Caistor,and Grimsby Lincolnshire.                   
 Parfitt, Le Gros ,Le Sueur, from Jersey.
Martin, from Doncaster  to whelyn garden city, London.
BINT, Worchester, in Australian mint.

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Re: I am well and truly stuck, Edith Cree.
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 04 November 17 15:58 GMT (UK) »
I see in 1841 the family address is

  Queen Street, Newark, Newark Union, Nottinghamshire

is this the Workhouse , and if so does the following census that give Queen street as their address

mean they were permanently in the workhouse . :'( :)
EXTON, from Rutland, Stamford, Boston, Lincoln. LANES, from Coleby,to Bracebridge Lincoln.WAKEFIELD,PROUDMAN Cheshire and  Stafford.
PINDAR, MOORE, ,CHAMBERS mostly from Lincolnshire.
LAING from Elgin ,Scotland.
 HADDELSEY from Caistor,and Grimsby Lincolnshire.                   
 Parfitt, Le Gros ,Le Sueur, from Jersey.
Martin, from Doncaster  to whelyn garden city, London.
BINT, Worchester, in Australian mint.

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Re: I am well and truly stuck, Edith Cree.
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 04 November 17 16:00 GMT (UK) »
Glad to help :)

Just found an online source of the Cree name which includes Eliza, but the info is wrong.

1881- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27K-K2X9 Halliday dies 1873.

Eliza is still alive as Penson and dies 1897. She is a few streets away from Walter in 1891 at King St.

http://cree.name/genealogies/frametop.htm?page=http://cree.name/genealogies/cree-o/p15.htm

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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: I am well and truly stuck, Edith Cree.
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 04 November 17 16:15 GMT (UK) »
Crossed checked the other couple married 1861. Found them on census, children's names match mmn.

So defo wrong, would treat the rest with caution.

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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: I am well and truly stuck, Edith Cree.
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 04 November 17 16:21 GMT (UK) »
I see in 1841 the family address is

  Queen Street, Newark, Newark Union, Nottinghamshire

is this the Workhouse , and if so does the following census that give Queen street as their address

mean they were permanently in the workhouse . :'( :)

No evidence Queen St was a workhouse

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Newark/
 
Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall