How can a Greek sailor be difficult to find in Mynyddislywn?????

[diplodicus]

This is a continuation of a thread in "Europe" about the children of Jan Heywegen (Heijwegen) a merchant seaman from Amsterdam. He fathered two children in 1942 and 1944 with Ann James who was living in Butetown, Cardiff. The births appear in an Ancestry search and I have copies of both certificates.

From Amsterdam archives, it seems that Ann James is actually Hannah Livadaros and was born on 2 August 1918 in Mynyddislwyn. Her father was Sivionas Liadaras (Liaderes) who was born in Greece in 1892.

Sivionas was a merchant seaman and the National Archive holds his merchant naval service medal card.

Hannah's mother was Margaret Jane Llewellyn and she married Sivionas Linares in early 1918 (Newport 11a363).

I can't find any no other trace of father nor mother on Ancestry. Perhaps some kind soul with more ferreting skills can unearth more about these people?

Thank you in anticipation of your assistance,

Malcolm

[KGarrad]

This is probably a complete red-herring, but it's sure a coincidence?

Marriage, June qtr 1918
Merthyr Tydfil Registration District     vol 11a, page 1285

Llewellyn, Margaret
James, Asaph M

[Cas (stallc)]

Hi,

I would get the MC for Hannah/Ann parents. Find out hopefully who Margarets father was, to help with your DNA quest. Obtain more info on her if lucky.

Also would look in Mon and Glam Counties, Cardiff/Newport and surrounding area were all central points people moved around.

Ann is on 1839 with birthdate found by Jorose, not much info thou.

Just my thoughts...

Cas

[seaweed]

I don't know if this information is directly of any use to you in your search but FindMyPast has some Merchant Navy records (Card CR 10) for  Sivionas Liadaras Born Santorini Greece 16/Oct/1892. Discharge A number 908115, Rating Donkeyman (Engine Room operative) on board the vessel/s in 1918 APPERNINE official number 127447 and 1919 MARESFIELD O/N 129079. There is also a small mugshot type photograph of him.
The ships Logbooks and Crew Agreements which may give you more personal information such has his last address, are available.
O/N 127447 from
https://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=127447
O/N 129079 from
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2480842

[diplodicus]

At my age it is far too easy to be sidetracked and this time, I omitted to thank you all for your help.

Now where was I?

Thank you.

Malcolm

[diplodicus]

I have now received the marriage certificate for Sivionas Liandaras (aged 24) and Margaret Jane Llewellyn (aged 21) both of 19 George street, Cwmcarn, Abercarn, Monmouthshire.

Margaret's father was David John Llewellyn, a colliery winding engineman

They were married at Newport Registry Office by licence on 14th January 1918.

Later that year, the London Gazette published a final divided of approx. five bob in the pound to the creditors of David John Llewellyn of 19 George Street who must have been made bankrupt some time before then.

[Cas (stallc)]

Hi, are you looking to find David & family on census?

1901 - 8, Mount Pleasant, Garthgynid, Gelligaer, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales   
David J Llewellyn Head Married   Male   31   Gelligaer, Glamorganshire, Colliery Stationary Engine Driver   
Hannah   Llewellyn   Wife   Married   Female   34   Bedlinog, Glamorganshire
Margaret J   Llewellyn   Daughter   Female   4   Bedlinog, Glamorganshire, Attending School
Sarah E   Llewellyn   Daughter   Female   2      Bedlinog

1911 David John has same occ as on marriage cert

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWX3-LT5

Marriages Sep Q 1893   Same page
Llewellyn    David John     Merthyr T.        11a  897
Llewellyn    Hannah        Merthyr T.    11a   897    

GRO index gives mmn as Llewellyn for children. First born dau died age 8mths

Cas

[diplodicus]

Thanks Cas. My ancestry sub has expired and I am yet to renew!!

Malcolm

[Cas (stallc)]

FindMyPast is free until the 8th Feb

Cas