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Re: Careys of Rathkeale 1880s
« Reply #9 on: Monday 06 November 17 12:27 GMT (UK) »
She has a lovely kind face.

Be wary of the numbers on the census, they are census form numbers, while in citys like Dublin the house and form numbers usually match this isn't the often the case in rural towns or the countryside.
I don't think the 100 in Rathkeale is a house number, it's easier to see on the 1911 Census but your family isn't there by 1911 so I'll just show you an example from Main Street
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Here you can see the form is  number 105 but the building address is just Main St.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002790323/
And number 100
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002790313/
You can compare the house and building returns for both census to see if the number match from one to the other but you will also notice there was a lot of Public Houses on that street.
1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Rathkeale_Urban/Main_Street__Contd__/
1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Rathkeale_Urban/Main_Street/

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« Reply #10 on: Monday 06 November 17 16:26 GMT (UK) »
Two things before I go anywhere else and forget:
1) The 1901 census you linked to the family on Main St shows a 19yo Mary Corbett as a Boy Maid. What is a Boy Maid?
2) And this is personal so tell me to buzz off if you wish. I've never before seen the name, if in fact it is a name, "Sinann" and I like it. So, if it is a given name, where does it come from and how is it pronounced? Of course, that's all out the window, if it is made up from the initials of each of your high school sweethearts.
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So, back on topic;
So many names dates and addresses; and yes, I realize they are all subject to human error and very small nib pens applied to skinny spaces. Still fun though.

I had all along believed the "Eileen/Aileen" as the proper Christian name. I also believed the family origins were Limerick or Cork. But with so many Careys and so few Eileens, I chased one in Dublin which bore fruit and made the reasonably assumed connection to my grandfather in Dublin.

Part two got me off the rails on the weekend when I came up with Helena Mary Claire monikers. They were assigned by a "find a grave" website volunteer who, I guess, just covered all the bases.

You brought me back to reality and now my imagination has taken another path;
Suppose grampa Richard and William were pals/teammates at Blackrock.
Billy's sister Eileen captured the old boys fancy.
After Richard's return from the Boer war, things heated up and the inheritance in 1905 was what fueled the emigration to Canada by some or all of them.

I don't know when, or even if Richard (known to us as Jack) and Eileen were married but they produced my father on the west coast of Canada in 1912.

At some future time I will look at the Canadian chapters but for now want to concentrate on the pile you have unearthed, then move on to the other half in Derbyshire where my mother was born in the Hare & Hounds Inn in Rowarth.

It would be interesting to see if William Carey shows up in Ireland after 1905.   

Also, is there easy bus service from Limerick Town to Rathleake?

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« Reply #11 on: Monday 06 November 17 17:17 GMT (UK) »
Sinann pronounced Shin-on
Nothing personal, there are slightly different stories told about her but they always include two things, she tried to get knowledge held in the hazelnuts and the river Shannon is named after her.
http://www.thaliatook.com/AMGG/sinann.php

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« Reply #12 on: Monday 06 November 17 17:23 GMT (UK) »
I'm not conviced it says Boy but don't know what else it could be, maybe something to do with the shop/pub.
Servant has been crossed out.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001016017/

Hang on.... Bar Maid, what looks like the down stroke of a y is the up part of the S of servant.


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« Reply #13 on: Monday 06 November 17 17:39 GMT (UK) »
Also, is there easy bus service from Limerick Town to Rathleake?

Tim     
Basic answer is yes.
I wouldn't try to go further as the bus companys keep changing the services at the moment, cut backs and changing routes also new companies are starting up.
If you do go to Limerick just go to the train/bus station they will put you right.

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« Reply #14 on: Monday 06 November 17 18:00 GMT (UK) »
She has a lovely kind face.
She does and I would liked to have known her at that time.

I only knew her until she died when I was 10.
She was a very controlling, dominant force.
Such that my father ran away from home in British Columbia at about age 12 to live with his cousins in California.

Only when she died and they cleaned out her place and comparing notes discovered each of my mother, father and her husband had been supplying her with regular rations of whiskey, unbeknownst to one another.

I like the Sinann tale and the name now is on the same pedestal of preference as Siobhan, of which I only met two, about 50 years apart.
 

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« Reply #15 on: Monday 06 November 17 20:58 GMT (UK) »
I'm not finding anymore after 1905.
Did you notice the way the girls names are spelt in the 1901 Census, the parents seem to have their own way of spelling the names so it's no wonder there are so many variations.

Also in the will calender William (we assume it's the son not a brother of James!) is listed as a shopkeeper, but that could of course be his father's shop.

Do you know if any of them married before emigrating?

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« Reply #16 on: Monday 06 November 17 21:39 GMT (UK) »
1.John Carey born 1864
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03579/2319325.pdf
A John Carey died 1865 age 0
2. Mary Anne 1866
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03524/2296706.pdf
A Mary Anne died 1872 age 6
 Margaret iscoming up as  O'Malley and Maley but everything else matches, unless there are two couples with shops in Rathkeale with the same names!
3. Bridget 1867
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_/births_1867/03460/2270499.pdf
4. Charles 1869, now father is a grocer
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03367/2234615.pdf
A Charles Joseph died 1871 age 1
5. George 1871, father on this one is a Spirit Merchant
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03280/2202018.pdf
6. Mary Catherine found earlier 1873
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03167/2161857.pdf
7. Margaret Frances 1875
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03096/2135476.pdf
A Margaret Frances died 1876 age 0
8. Cecilia 1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03039/2114294.pdf
a Cecilia Mary died 1876 age 0
9. Anna Maria 1877
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02983/2092932.pdf
10. Ellen? 1879 already found
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02879/2055182.pdf
11. William 1882 (looking at it again think he was born 1882 not 83) already found
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02742/2008199.pdf
12. Christina Agnes 1884
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02742/2008199.pdf
a Christina Agens died 1887 age 3

Now is that lot one or two famlies?

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Re: Careys of Rathkeale 1880s
« Reply #17 on: Monday 06 November 17 22:06 GMT (UK) »
I'm not finding anymore after 1905.
Did you notice the way the girls names are spelt in the 1901 Census, the parents seem to have their own way of spelling the names so it's no wonder there are so many variations.

Also in the will calender William (we assume it's the son not a brother of James!) is listed as a shopkeeper, but that could of course be his father's shop.

Do you know if any of them married before emigrating?
Yes, spelling variations are abundant.
Another forum member said a lot of the transcription was done by foreigners (perhaps Canadians) so another reason for errors.

Yes, I saw William listed as shopkeeper and wondered if that was as at time of death, or time of will writing.

No, about when marriages took place. That is one of the elements I would like to learn, specifically where and when Eileen and Richard met and were married.

I always believed they met here but there are two glitches in that idea;
...it would be pretty unusual for the two of them to have separately made their way to such a small remote mining community where my father was born.
...you have raised the concept of William, Eileen and Richard being tight with Richard and Eileen doing the vows there before heading to the bush in BC.

Complicating that is Canada mostly and BC in particular were wilderness and census reflected the remoteness. A lot of the settlers of the 1880s-1920s were happy to not be known.

Blackrock has not responded to my queries about Richard's time there.
And I really should start calling him Jack, as that's what he was known by.

That brings up another layer; all up and down the line they messed with given names. Both my grand father and my father had three given names yet none were use day to day. My brother was called by his middle name and I went by a name that made no sense at all.