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Reasons for single (Irish) woman to be in Montreal c1832, please?
« on: Thursday 09 November 17 00:26 GMT (UK) »
My ancestor's sister (Esther) married someone who was in the 15th Regiment of Foot in 1832 in Montreal, Quebec (Anglican Garrison).  According to the record, Esther was about 27 years old, single; he was a bachelor.

My ancestor, Jane, was widowed (supposedly, two husbands had died) when she married my ancestor in 1839 in Toronto, Ontario.

While I have posted at least twice (in 2013) about the above sisters and Esther's husband, I don't believe I've asked this question:  what could be the reasons why a single woman would be living in/near Montreal during the 1830s, please? If Jane immigrated with her husband (I only know the surname of one husband), possibly Esther immigrated as well?  Possibly both women arrived with their parents when they were young?  Knowing little about Quebec during the early 1830's, and even less about the military, I'm curious if there could be other reasons why Esther was in Montreal.  Thank you in advance for any suggestions.  I hope I haven't asked this question before.  :-[
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Reasons for single woman to be in Montreal c1832, please?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 09 November 17 00:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi Lisa,

It may be an idea to give us some further info. such as surnames, YoB, where originally from etc?

People from different places ended up in different places for many different reasons i.e. a bit of background on your ancestors may help build a picture for any researchers who have knowledge of different areas in different eras?

Can you also post any links to previous threads please?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: Reasons for single woman to be in Montreal c1832, please?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 09 November 17 01:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annie:

Thank you for your interest.  While we have uncovered a lot of information about Jane (after 1839) and Esther (after c1839), I only know the following prior to 1840:

Jane Brown was born c1811 in Belfast, Ireland.
Years ago, a distant relative told me that Jane was married three times; her first two husbands died and she married William Ellison (who was born c1795 in County Wicklow and was a widower; he was a carpenter) in 1839 in York (Toronto), Ontario.  There is a possibility that William's first wife and child died in Toronto in 1834.  Apparently, prior to her marriage to Ellison, she married someone with the surname of Cullen.
Update:  While we found the deaths of a Mary Ellison and little Christian Elizabeth Ellison in 1834, there is nothing to prove that they were "our" William Ellison's family members.

Esther Hadessah (various spellings) Brown was born c1805 in Belfast, Ireland.  In 1832 she married Edward Botterell in Montreal.  Esther died in 1857 and is buried with Jane (and William Ellison).  Edward Botterell was born in England and served in the military.  Note:  I've always thought that Esther was buried with the Ellison's but since she died prior to both of them, they were buried with her.

The following links give the best picture of the scenarios.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=632319.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=632460.0

We have a lot of information about Esther and Jane and their families after 1839.  Except for knowing the above, I have no idea if there were other siblings or who their parents were.  Thank you again for your interest.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Reasons for single woman to be in Montreal c1832, please?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 09 November 17 01:39 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Lisa...

The info. you've posted will now help others to help you as they now know your ancestors were Irish i.e. knowing where to look!

I'm not so sure Irish records go back too far, certainly not for mine so far  :-\

Do you know if they were catholic or protestant which may help?

I know Cullen is an Irish name as I descend from that surname (mine were catholic)  :D

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: Reasons for single woman to be in Montreal c1832, please?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 09 November 17 01:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annie:

Thank you for asking very good questions, in hope of clarifying the situation.

I believe they were not Catholic.  Records for William and Jane and their children float between Church of England and Wesleyan (I thought there was a third "choice", but at the moment I cannot find a record with another description).

Thank you again.  :)
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Reasons for single woman to be in Montreal c1832, please?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 09 November 17 02:00 GMT (UK) »
As mentioned in one of the threads

1842 Toronto (City) Upper Canada Census
Willm Ellison, Carpenter
8 names under his is
Margt E Cullen(?)
  Perhaps she was related to Jane's first or second husband; or, perhaps since Cullen wasn't an unusual name, it was just a coincidence that Margaret was living near the Ellisons.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Reasons for single (Irish) woman to be in Montreal c1832, please?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 09 November 17 02:21 GMT (UK) »
I would certainly have a closer look at the Margaret E Cullen as it seems too much of a coincidence & may confirm the family story?

"While we found the deaths of a Mary Ellison and little Christian Elizabeth Ellison in 1834, there is nothing to prove that they were "our" William Ellison's family members."

What info. do you have regarding that burial, do dates/ages match with other events?

Where are they buried in relation to distance/proximity of where William was when he married Jane, were William & Jane buried in the same area/cemetery?

Is there no hint of parentage anywhere for either?

Have you found children of Jane from her 1st 2 marriages?

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"