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Lord Carrington ownership of Mills in Yorkshire in 1840/50's
« on: Saturday 11 November 17 11:44 GMT (UK) »
Hello,  Can anyone help please?  I am trying to find information on Lord Carrington sending a Joseph Horsfall to Australia to buy wool for his woollen mill/s.  I was told that a few of the ships carrying wool sunk.  Joseph later went on to become Mayor of MacDonald Town, Sydney.
I need to know who was. Lord Carrington?  Where can I find out about ships sinking? Does anyone know where to find a photo of him as mayor?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Lord Carrington ownership of Mills in Yorkshire in 1840/50's
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 11 November 17 12:41 GMT (UK) »
I couldn't find a woolen/worsted manufacturor/mill owner named 'Lord Carrington'.
Mill owners tended to be 'self made' men and not connected to the aristocracy , although some of the more succesful ones were awarded titles later in life.

There is a worsted mill owner named Joseph Horsfall here and another possible Horsfall woolen/worsted mill owner, who was in the papers for 'concealing accidents' and overworking a 'little boy' child labourer
(Halifax/Calderdale area)
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~calderdalecompanion/h.html#h2269
But Horsfall is a common name in the West Riding, so there may be others

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Re: Lord Carrington ownership of Mills in Yorkshire in 1840/50's
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 11 November 17 12:42 GMT (UK) »
Probably ancestor of current Lord Carrington, foreign minister under Margaret Thatcher. I think the title goes back to 18th Century.
Griffiths Llandogo, Mitcheltroy, Mon. and Whitchurch Here (Also Edwards),  18th C., Griffiths FoD 19th Century.

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Re: Lord Carrington ownership of Mills in Yorkshire in 1840/50's
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 11 November 17 13:37 GMT (UK) »
Seemingly Australia specialised in producing Merino wool, popular for high quality clothing, originally the market was in London, sold by auction 1840s, later a market was created in Australia, so Joseph would be buying shiploads and arranging shipping.

Lord carrington may have been the second viscount carrington, with large estates in Buckinghamshire
and Lincolnshire, there were other wool processing places in England than Yorkshire, especially for the high quality wools, Stroud valley in Gloucestershire is one that comes to mind.

Mike

Added, an approximate date would help

Oops I shoul have read the title

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Re: Lord Carrington ownership of Mills in Yorkshire in 1840/50's
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 11 November 17 13:41 GMT (UK) »
....some more info about the Joseph Horsfall in my previous post?

Joseph Horsfall [b 1818 in Heptonstall] and Sons ltd, Clarence Mill, Halifax, Worsted Spinners,

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Re: Lord Carrington ownership of Mills in Yorkshire in 1840/50's
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 November 17 05:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi sallyyorks, Thank you for your replies.  One of the Joseph Horsfall names looks like it could be my family.  Joseph was always listed as a clothier, woollen weaver, worsted weaver. I still need to clear up the Lord Carrington idea - hopefully not  just an urban myth passed down through the family!?!? I appreciate your help. 

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Re: Lord Carrington ownership of Mills in Yorkshire in 1840/50's
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 November 17 05:56 GMT (UK) »
Hello Regorian,  Thanks for the information.  Do you know where I can find a list of the Lord Carringtons - their lineage etc.?   I appreciate your help

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Re: Lord Carrington ownership of Mills in Yorkshire in 1840/50's
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 November 17 06:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi mazi,  Thanks for your help.  You mention Lord Carrington having estates elsewhere & that it may have been the 2nd Lord Carrington.  Can I ask where you found this information?  I would need to verify this information for my research.
Would the 2nd Lord's date match up with who I am researching viz. 1840/50's.   I know Joseph was sent out to buy the top quality wool from Australia.  Thanks again

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Re: Lord Carrington ownership of Mills in Yorkshire in 1840/50's
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 12 November 17 09:29 GMT (UK) »
I just looked up Google. Wikipedia entry was not detailed but there may be more. The current Lord Carrington is one of the last gentlemen, he was foreign minister before the Falklands crisis and considered thet he had not warned Govt. and immediately resigned. none of your 'I deny any wrong doing'. He was also a Guards officer in WWII and was in Guards Armoured Division at Arnhem September 1944.
Griffiths Llandogo, Mitcheltroy, Mon. and Whitchurch Here (Also Edwards),  18th C., Griffiths FoD 19th Century.