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Sack/Bernbaum marriage?
« on: Sunday 12 November 17 11:22 GMT (UK) »
This weekend, my SO read an obituary:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/oct/26/gerald-bernbaum-obituary

Her extended family tree includes a Joseph Sack, and Sack (Sacks, Sach, Sachs) is not a very common name. In the obituary it says that Gerald Bernbaum's mother was Betty (née Sack), and his father Benjamin.

I checked my database, and Joseph's family does not include a Betty, (or Elizabeth, etc).

Here's Gerald's birth(FreeBMD):
Births Jun 1936
BERNBAUM    Gerald    Sack    Stepney    1c   175
Obit says d2017, aged 81, 2017-81=1936.

Here's the marriage (FreeBMD):

Marriages Jun 1933
Bernbarm    Benjamin    Sack    Hackney    1b   977
Sack    Becky    Bernbaum    Hackney    1b   977

My database DOES have a Rebecca Sack, a very plausible match for Becky. Is this "my" Rebecca?

My Sacks family have parents Barnet Sack b1878, Rosa Ackman, (from "Kiev, Ukraine"), another match for the Obit.
Rebecca was b1905, in Tottenham.

Benjamin Bernbaum was b1908, to Isaac and Nellie (from "Poland, Russia"); Isaac was indeed a tailor, so we infer
that Benjamin was; another match to the obit.

To further solidify my guess, I would very much like a DOB for the Becky Sack that
married Benjamin; the two most likely sources for this are her death record, and the 1939 register.

I cannot find her death record; :-(

I CAN find her still living with Benjamin in the 1965 Electoral Register (174 Kyverdale Rd).

I found the Bernbaum family, indexed under Bernbakm (!?!) in the 1939 register, but Beccy/Rebbecca/Betsy is not with them. :-(

So - it all looks good, but I'd like (at least) to have Bejamin's wife'd DOB to further consolidate the evidence.

Can anyone find it?

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Re: Sack/Bernbaum marriage?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 12 November 17 11:40 GMT (UK) »
There is a Becky Bernbaum death in Hendon, Oct 1986 - DOB Feb 1905.

Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Sack/Bernbaum marriage?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 12 November 17 11:41 GMT (UK) »
Solid death for Benjamin (FreeBMD)

Deaths Sep 1967
BERNBAUM    BENJAMIN    59    HACKNEY    5B   406

1967-59=1908

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Re: Sack/Bernbaum marriage?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 November 17 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Benjamin was born late 1907 I think? (You say you have seen the 1939 for him).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Sack/Bernbaum marriage?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 November 17 11:57 GMT (UK) »
There is a Becky Bernbaum death in Hendon, Oct 1986 - DOB Feb 1905.
Bingo!

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Re: Sack/Bernbaum marriage?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 November 17 12:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Benjamin and Becky are buried in Rainham Cemetery, according to Jewishgen.

Benjamin died 3rd July 1967 aged 59
Becky died 23rd October 1986 aged 81

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Sussex, Burwash/Somerset/South London: PANKHURST/FABLING/GREEN/KING/PARROT/POPE/PEMBROKE
Notts/Leics/London: POLLARD/BELAND/FELLS/MORRISON/MARYSON/CLARKE
Northants: MARRIOT/T
Suffolk: LINGLY/LINGLEY/LINDLY/LINDLEY/ SEAGER /SIGGER/SEGGAR/VINCE
Gloucs: WINDOW Glamorgan: JENKINS Cardiganshire: JONES
Poland: OZIEMKIEWICZ France: LINETTE

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Re: Sack/Bernbaum marriage?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 November 17 18:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Benjamin and Becky are buried in Rainham Cemetery, according to Jewishgen.

Benjamin died 3rd July 1967 aged 59
Becky died 23rd October 1986 aged 81

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That adds another layer of certainty.

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Re: Sack/Bernbaum marriage?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 13 November 17 14:47 GMT (UK) »
Oops. It turns out my "way in" to these sacks was a birth in 1921 of Joseph Sack, which (of course) gives the mother's maiden name in FreeBMD, "Ackman". This (in turn) led me to the birth of Kate Sack, in 1917.

Looking at my database, I have NO IDEA how I connected these two to the family headed by Barnet Sack and Rose, his wife. I did this work around 4 years ago, and I hadn't learned the importance of careful citing then.  :'(

However, I have now manage to place Kate and her husband at 86 Antill rd in the post WW2 electoral register, and Barnet/Rose are at number 87. So it seems "likely".

I would VERY much like to confirm this; my best hope is to find one of 4 births in the GRO index (counter part to FreeBMD), which will give the MMN.

Solomon Sack 1904
Rebecca Sack 1905
Lilly Sack 1907
Jacob Sack 1910

I can find precisely NONE of these in FreeBMD (which is what I normally do before using GRO, since searching FreeBMD is easier).

Can anyone locate these births (and hence the mothers maiden name in the GRO birth index)?

 BugBear (hoping for "Ackman")
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Re: Sack/Bernbaum marriage?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 13 November 17 18:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi

There are these possible birth regs from FreeBMD:

Jun Qtr 1903 Edmonton (includes Tottenham)
SACH Solomon 3a 558 (I've included this in case Barnet/Rosa got a bit confused when filling in the form!)

Sep Qtr 1904 Whitechapel (includes Spitalfields)
ZACKS Solomon 1c 245

1911 Census taken on 2/4/1911.

I've had no luck with the others so far....  :-\

Gaie
Sussex, Burwash/Somerset/South London: PANKHURST/FABLING/GREEN/KING/PARROT/POPE/PEMBROKE
Notts/Leics/London: POLLARD/BELAND/FELLS/MORRISON/MARYSON/CLARKE
Northants: MARRIOT/T
Suffolk: LINGLY/LINGLEY/LINDLY/LINDLEY/ SEAGER /SIGGER/SEGGAR/VINCE
Gloucs: WINDOW Glamorgan: JENKINS Cardiganshire: JONES
Poland: OZIEMKIEWICZ France: LINETTE