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Re: Thomas Hanson m Eliza Benson 22 12 1834
« Reply #9 on: Monday 13 November 17 09:07 GMT (UK) »
I would assume in a Mill, and that it would probably be water-powered.
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Re: Thomas Hanson m Eliza Benson 22 12 1834
« Reply #10 on: Monday 13 November 17 11:17 GMT (UK) »
Have you actually seen the parish register entry for Eliza's baptism?  ;D

Eliza daughter of Joseph Benson Oil Miller of Selby, son of Joseph Benson of Heddingley Farmer by Elizabeth daughter of James (I can't read his surname as it's split over two lines  :'( ) of Burlew, and Eleanor, daughter of Charles Nicholson Farmer of Heddingley by Mary daughter of Chritopher Hduson.  Born 23 June and baptised 24 June 1810 - Selby Abbey.

I am sorry, but I cannot find this Parish Record entry on Ancestry, am I looking in the wrong place??

This is so convoluted - Have I read it right? 

I make this:-
Eliza Benson - parents Joseph Benson (1) and Eleanor Nicholson - of Selby, Oil Miller
Joseph (1) - parents Joseph Benson (2) and Elizabeth illegible surname - of Heddingley, farmer
Joseph (2) - parent James illegible surname and Elizabeth - of Burlew
Eleanor - parents Charles Nicholson and Mary Hudson
Mary - Parent Christopher Hudson

Also - William Benson, Eliza's brother m Catherine Norris and Eliza as witness 12 Jun 1831

And, I think Eleanor becomes Ellen in the census?

Thanks for all your help -  Pam


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Re: Thomas Hanson m Eliza Benson 22 12 1834
« Reply #11 on: Monday 13 November 17 12:48 GMT (UK) »
Because someone in their wisdom re-arranged Yorkshire, Selby now comes under North Yorkshire.  Images are available on FindMyPast.

So, we have

Eliza = Joseph Benson (Oil Miller) and Eleanor Nicholson
Joseph = Joseph (Farmer) and Elizabeth (daughter of James of Burlew)
Eleanor = Charles (Farmer) and Mary (daughter of Christopher Hudson)

And I agree that Eleanor becomes Ellen.




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Re: Thomas Hanson m Eliza Benson 22 12 1834
« Reply #12 on: Monday 13 November 17 14:32 GMT (UK) »
In 1851 the family are living in Oxfordshire - Thomas a carpenter.   Their youngest Becket aged 2 was actually registered as Matthias.   He appears to have died the year after the census - death entry as Matthias Beckett Hanson in Dec.qtr.1852 Leeds.   

What happened then I wonder and where?   Can't see any obvious deaths for them in Leeds but no sign of Thomas or Eliza after 1851 in census so wonder where they went next.

In 1861 son Thomas is in the navy, Frederick B. is married and living in Stoke Damerel, Devon, dau. Emma now married and living with brother Alfred 19 and sister Angelina 17 in Paddington, London.   A further daughter Eliza was born 1854 Oxford (mmn Benson) and in 1861 she's with aunt Elizabeth Walsham in Leeds (bc.1817 Millbridge).  Sounds like this Elizabeth must be a sister to Thomas and, indeed, there is the baptism 17/12/1815 Birstall, also dau. of Thomas and Elizabeth. So, that's all the children accounted for by 1861 but no sign of parents Thomas and Eliza.

The 1851 census shows Thomas' birthplace as Millbridge, Yorkshire - Millbridge is described as 'a hamlet in Liversedge Chapelry, Birstall parish.   Therefore, I would think that this is Thomas' baptism:

Thomas Hanson bp.4/2/1810 Birstall, Yorkshire, son of Thomas and Elizabeth.

Your probably know most of this I guess but I think that with both Thomas and his sister Elizabeth shown as born Millbridge (parish of Birstall) that the 2 baptisms in Birstall with parents Thomas and Elizabeth must be them.

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Re: Thomas Hanson m Eliza Benson 22 12 1834
« Reply #13 on: Monday 13 November 17 18:02 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Annette, I need to digest all your kind input, some I recognise, but some is certainly new to me.

Pam

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Re: Thomas Hanson m Eliza Benson 22 12 1834
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 14 November 17 11:56 GMT (UK) »
   A further daughter Eliza was born 1854 Oxford (mmn Benson) and in 1861 she's with aunt Elizabeth Walsham in Leeds (bc.1817 Millbridge).  Sounds like this Elizabeth must be a sister to Thomas and, indeed, there is the baptism 17/12/1815 Birstall, also dau. of Thomas and Elizabeth. So, that's all the children accounted for by 1861 but no sign of parents Thomas and Eliza.


You've really set me thinking:  I hadn't seen the name Walsham/Walshaw before.

Having spent an hour poring over the records I have now extended the Hanson/Benson family and gone back a generation.

But I am still struggling with what happened to Eliza Hanson b 1854 in Oxford, I've got her in 1861 & 1871 - staying with sisters, but not after that...  Likely death for her in 1885; so where is she in 1881??

And I guess Thomas (b 1810) Hanson and wife Eliza (b 1812) nee Benson die between birth of last daughter in 1854 in Oxford and the next census.

Still looking!!  But such a common name!

Thank you so much.

Pam

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Re: Thomas Hanson m Eliza Benson 22 12 1834
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 14 November 17 18:30 GMT (UK) »
I have a theory regarding Eliza Hanson - in 1871 she is living with her sister in Sandiacre, Derbyshire (this came under the registration district of Shardlow).

On 25/12/1874 an Eliza Hanson married a Josiah Burrows in Stapleford, Nottinghamshire - Stapleford also came under the registration district of Shardlow.

Looking at this couple on census after their marriage Eliza shown as bc.1854/5 Leeds.   I note that on 1861 census there was an Eliza Hanson bc.1855 Leeds, dau. of a Charles and Martha.    However, I cannot trace a marriage between Charles Hanson and a Martha, nor can I find a birth for an Eliza Hanson in Leeds ca.1854/5.    I suspect this couple weren't married which would mean her birth would have been registered under her mothers name which is of course unknown i.e. this Eliza was not legally a Hanson so any marriage/death for her probably in her birth surname.

Clearly, the immediate roots of your Eliza Hanson revolve around Leeds.   As a 6 year old she is living with her aunt in Leeds, as 17 year old with her sister in Derbyshire - both correctly state she was born Oxford BUT what if this was never fully explained to Eliza and when giving birthplace details for herself after her marriage she stated Leeds believing that where she was from??

Unfortunately, original details of the marriage in 1874 are not available online, only a transcript which does not state fathers names.   If it said her fathers name was Thomas then I would definitely think she was indeed 'your' Eliza and that for whatever reason she believed she was actually born Leeds like her older siblings.  (Then again, if marriage certificate shows her father as Charles then definitely not 'your' Eliza.)

(Incidentally, can find no trace of an Eliza Hanson bc.1854/5 Leeds on the 1871 census.)

Stapleford, Notts. and Sandiacre, Derbyshire only actually 1.4 miles apart and both areas came under the registration of Shardlow - both Josiah Burrows and 'your' Eliza Hanson are living in the district in 1871 and would seem a natural progression for the 1874 marriage in Shardlow R.D. to be this couple.   The only anomaly being Eliza states birthplace as Leeds from 1881 onwards.

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Re: Thomas Hanson m Eliza Benson 22 12 1834
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 15 November 17 13:11 GMT (UK) »
Dear Annette,

Gosh what a lot of effort you have gone to, I am really grateful, another pair of eyes often sees things...

I'm trying to absorb it all:

I do have a birth for Eliza in 1854 - from GRO -
HANSON, ELIZA       mmn BENSON     
GRO Reference: 1854  J Quarter in OXFORD  Volume 03A  Page 535


and, as you say, in 1871 she is living with her sister Emma in Sandiacre and in 1861, aged 7, she is living with her widowed aunt Elizabeth Walsham in Leeds.

She is actually the 10th child born to Thomas Hanson and Eliza nee Benson.  Her parents are, as you say, Leeds born, but in 1851 they are living in Summertown, Oxford, which tallies with Eliza's birth there in 1854.

My guess at the moment is that her mother died after she was born, and before the 1861 census, and hence Eliza was staying with her aunts as she grew up.  I cannot find any likely ref in the 1881 census for her.

Her father Thomas was named on her siblings marriage certs - 1862 & 1865 - but not as deceased, but I cannot (yet) find him in 1861.

I have found a death and burial for an Eliza Hanson, in Leeds, Hunslet Cemetery on 5 Apr 1885 which looks a possibility. I will need to see the death cert to se if there is anything else useful on it.

All for now, and thanks again,

Pam






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Re: Thomas Hanson m Eliza Benson 22 12 1834
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 15 November 17 19:22 GMT (UK) »
The Eliza Hanson buried at Hunslet 1885 aged 31 years is recorded as the wife of Alfred.
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