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Offline jan21

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fought but not fallen
« on: Sunday 12 November 17 20:15 GMT (UK) »
 :'( My grandfather was gassed at Ypres, he survived. My mother said her mother told her, he went away a strapping young handsome man, and came home a gasping old man, he never worked again!  They struggled in poverty for most of their lives. I have tried to find him in all sorts of sites and links but I am not very good at this and I am all over the place going round in circles. He was from Blackburn Lancashire, he may have been in the Lancashire Fusiliers and his name was William Albert Bibby...or just William, or just Albert. My mother has dementia now and doesn't remember things fully.  Could anyone help please?

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Re: fought but not fallen
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 12 November 17 20:18 GMT (UK) »
Name:   William Albert Bibby
Military Year:   1914-1920
Rank:   Private
Medal Awarded:   British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps:   East Lancashire Regiment
Regimental Number:   35040
Previous Units:   1/4th. E. Lan. R. 2736 Pte., 9th. E. Lan. R. 35040

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Re: fought but not fallen
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 12 November 17 20:19 GMT (UK) »
Name:   William Albert Bibby
Gender:   Male
Document Year:   1914
Residence Place:   13 Eccles St, Blackburn
Regimental Number:   2736
Regiment Name:   HS Bn E Lanc Regiment
Number of Images:   4
Form Title:   Territorial Force Attestation
Family Members:   
Name   Relation to Soldier
William Albert Bibby   Self (Head)
Elizabeth Bibby   Wife

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Re: fought but not fallen
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 November 17 20:27 GMT (UK) »
Hello and welcome  :)

Who did he marry? There is a record, sallyorks has posted that but I am not sure that is him re Ypres.

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Re: fought but not fallen
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 November 17 20:31 GMT (UK) »
Hello and welcome  :)

Who did he marry? There is a record, sallyorks has posted that but I am not sure that is him re Ypres.

Heywood

Why not 're Ypres'?

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Re: fought but not fallen
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 November 17 20:35 GMT (UK) »
The record shows him at home 1914 -15 and then Egypt. No mention of Ypres thatís why I am not sure but donít know.
I just thought it might be best to start with a marriage etc as jan21 isnít sure of his name.

I hope the one you have is him, it would be good to have a record.
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Re: fought but not fallen
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 November 17 20:45 GMT (UK) »
There is a William Albert Bibby with wife Elizabeth, living in Blackburn 3 years before the outbreak of war. He is a 'coal miner/hewer', born Rishton, Lancashire 1887. Elizabeth born same year, in Blackburn, a cotton weaver

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Re: fought but not fallen
« Reply #7 on: Monday 13 November 17 09:17 GMT (UK) »
The 1911 census William Albert born 1887 married Elizabeth Driver in 1910, they had three children between 1913 and 1919.  2376 William Albert was born in 1887 and discharged in 1919 medical category A1 although he did have bowel problems and bronchitis.  Place of birth for both is Rishton and occupation for both is miner.  (He also fathered an illegitimate child in 1908 with another Elizabeth)

Would seem to suggest that these two are the same man but is he one we are hoping to find given that he was A1 when discharged and served in different theatre of war?

That said, unfortunately "gassed at Ypres" or "wounded on the Somme" tend to be expressions heard a lot that have been passed down the generations and are sometimes found not to be the case.  Recently on this forum a man "wounded on the Somme" was actually fighting 200 miles further north.  I mention this, not to belittle a man's service, but to suggest that if the William Albert is the right one, then could the bronchitis have turned into gassing by a chinese whispers process?

Jan21 - the children of William and Elizabeth were Joseph, Albert and Leah - do they accord with the next generation down?

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Re: fought but not fallen
« Reply #8 on: Monday 13 November 17 12:48 GMT (UK) »
Thanks MaxD

I did notice the bronchitis and wondered about that which is why I was cautious when I could only see Egypt. I have a feeling the records also discounted the bronchitis as not being relevant  :-\

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