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Re: Thomas John Pugsley
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 16 November 17 22:03 GMT (UK) »
Will they just email them all over then?

May pop into Ponty library and ask

Thank you very much

If able would pop into Ponty Library. I did all mine from Treorchy, but library have since closed due to cuts.. Wonderful FH library & staff

Would ask.
Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: Thomas John Pugsley
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 16 November 17 22:04 GMT (UK) »
May have to order Thomas Walters Gillard's birth certificate - he was born illegitamately Sept 1903 - but as he's not direct relative (as by then Sarah was a Pugsley) it'll be a way down the list

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Re: Thomas John Pugsley
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 16 November 17 22:08 GMT (UK) »
and thanks so much for Lea Helena - I thought I had found Ellen's birth as Leah Ellen Waters - on 1871 she's Leah E Waters, on most she's Ellen Gillard, one she's Eleanor.  And the death I believed was her was Lea H  Gillard (born 1857) - if she and Edward are in the same grave it kind of proves that she was Leah even if known, and married as Ellen

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Re: Thomas John Pugsley
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 16 November 17 22:11 GMT (UK) »
The cem was opened 1881. Seems the plot was purchased for the death of Charles in 1890 which was son of Edward & Ellen. Thomas & Alfred I think are grandchildren to Edward/Ellen. The plot would only hold 5 burials. Both births have no mmn listed so unlikely children of couple.
Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: Thomas John Pugsley
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 16 November 17 22:15 GMT (UK) »
by the 1911 census they only have 1 child who have died - Charles

Alfred Ford Gillard appears to be another illegitamate grandson

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Re: Thomas John Pugsley
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 16 November 17 22:38 GMT (UK) »
The internment record only holds name, occ, address, date of death, burial/plot number and sig of informant which maybe family member, friend or undertaker. No cause of death as in DC.

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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: Thomas John Pugsley
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 26 December 17 16:22 GMT (UK) »
Can you give us the full information from the marriage certificate please - addresses, occupations, witnesses etc.  It may provide a fresh lead.

Got hold of the certificate (and the twins birth certificates today)

25 Jan 1896 in St Davids Church, Llanwonno
Thomas John Pugsley (aged 24) bachelor, profession Miner, residence Dinas,  Father Thomas Pugsley, labourer (deceased)
Sarah Ann Gillard (aged 18) spinster, residence Dinas.  Father Edward Gillard, miner

Witnesses
William Hall and Mary Gillard

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Re: Thomas John Pugsley
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 26 December 17 16:59 GMT (UK) »
Only thing i can find in parish records is a John Thomas PUGSLEY   Baptism   06 May 1872   Somerset   Dulverton : All Saints : Parish Register   Row 6 parents john and elizabeth

That one appears to have died in infancy

PUGSLEY, JOHN  THOMAS     age 0     
1872  June Quarter - DULVERTON  Volume 05C  Page 257

Also Milmoore's comment
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The Pugsleys of Dulverton might nonetheless be still worth looking at . The groindex has mmn as Johns for John Thomas Pugsley. There is this marriage in Dulverton - May 20th 1872 Thomas Pugsley (widower) and  Elizabeth Johns but 1871 census has this

Thomas Pugsley 59 Ag lab widower
Elizabeth Johns 28 Step daughter unmarried
Frank Yeandle 5 Grandson

Address Higher Spire, Dulverton (baptism of JohnThomas High Spiers).

Possible death for above Thomas Puglsey 1876.

If nothing else a potentially intriguing set up!

In the same batch of certificate's I've been given is a birth certificate

John Thomas Pugsley born 5th JUNE 1872 in Dulverton
father Thomas Pugsley a farm labourer
mother Elizabeth Pugsley formerly Johns

Thomas gives his mark as the informant on seventeenth June

So despite me ruling out the John Thomas Pugsley on the basis of the death aged zero, maybe it's not - this John Thomas Pugsley to THOMAS and Elizabeth is born AFTER John Thomas Pugsley, son of JOHN and Elizabeth, was baptised

Could there be two Pugsley babies born at a similar time in Dulverton? - I can only see the registration of one though