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Finding a death date for Mary Ann Waite b1855 Harlington, London
« on: Wednesday 15 November 17 13:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

After such a successful search on my previous post i am hoping you can all help me with another one. I am looking for a death date/registration for the following person;

Mary Ann Waite (nee Jolly) b1855 Harlington

Parents;
Thomas Jolly b1819 in Weeley, Essex
Elizabet Stevens b1825 in Chelsea

Spouse;
Charles John Samuel Waite
b1855 in Royston, Cambridgeshire

The last time she shows up on the census is the last available one (which i know we are not allowed to discuss.) Her husband doesn't pass away until 1933 in Southwark. But i can not seem to find a death entry for her.

Can anyone help with this small mystery?
Sheffield/Yeadon/Guiseley - Brayshaw
Baslow - Wild(e)
London - Overall
Folkestone - Butcher
Little Steeping / Willoughby - Briggs and Ancient
Candlesby - Hewison and Rutter
Badsworth/Upton/South Kirkby - Thorp(e)
East Markham - Wilmot(t)
Middleton Tyas/South Cowton - Martin
Newton Upon Ouse - Goodbarn
Darley Dale - Hatfield
Wentworth/Tankersley - Allott and Trippett
Chedworth - Wilson and Tuffley

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Re: Finding a death date for Mary Ann Waite b1855 Harlington, London
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 November 17 13:40 GMT (UK) »
We are allowed to discuss the 1911 census!  Just not to do lookups for others.  There's nothing stopping you telling us what you've found for yourself, and if that's the last known sighting it's rather important.

So: where have you found her in 1911?  Have you looked for her in the 1939 Register?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Finding a death date for Mary Ann Waite b1855 Harlington, London
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 November 17 13:46 GMT (UK) »
That's good to know, thank you.

So in 1911, she is living with her husband and children at;

15 Great Charlotte Street, New Cut S E
Christchurch and St Saviour Southwark

I unfortunately don't have access to 1939 registry, only due to funds, i have only a monthly subscription with another site.

Sheffield/Yeadon/Guiseley - Brayshaw
Baslow - Wild(e)
London - Overall
Folkestone - Butcher
Little Steeping / Willoughby - Briggs and Ancient
Candlesby - Hewison and Rutter
Badsworth/Upton/South Kirkby - Thorp(e)
East Markham - Wilmot(t)
Middleton Tyas/South Cowton - Martin
Newton Upon Ouse - Goodbarn
Darley Dale - Hatfield
Wentworth/Tankersley - Allott and Trippett
Chedworth - Wilson and Tuffley

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Re: Finding a death date for Mary Ann Waite b1855 Harlington, London
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 November 17 14:32 GMT (UK) »
OK, so she's just "Mary" Waite at that time.

Children's marriages:

12 May 1912: Mabel Annie Waite marries in Southwark, abode 15 Gt Charlotte St, witnessed by her father and by Beatrice Alice Waite.

28 Jun 1915: Henry James Waite marries in Newington, abode 1 Farrell Ct, Walworth, witnessed by Maud Alicia Waite and Thomas Harding Mapp.

22 Feb 1920: Maud Alicia Waite marries in Lambeth, abode 15 Gt Charlotte St, witnessed by her father and by Ellenor Emily Marney.

No sign (yet) of Mary Ann as a witness, but at least these show that the family was associated with the 15 Great Charlotte St address until at least 1920.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Finding a death date for Mary Ann Waite b1855 Harlington, London
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 November 17 14:34 GMT (UK) »
Have you got her husband's death certificate?  If so, who was the informant and does it say widower of Mary or husband of Mary.  If you knew that, you would know she was either alive or deceased at the time of her husband's death.

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Re: Finding a death date for Mary Ann Waite b1855 Harlington, London
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 15 November 17 15:11 GMT (UK) »
I haven't got her husbands death certificate as of yet. Since the recent lowering of cost on the PDF pilot thing, i think i will stretch to get a few more certificates now like this.

As always, i wasn't expecting a Mary Waite to be to much of a struggle to find an entry for.
Sheffield/Yeadon/Guiseley - Brayshaw
Baslow - Wild(e)
London - Overall
Folkestone - Butcher
Little Steeping / Willoughby - Briggs and Ancient
Candlesby - Hewison and Rutter
Badsworth/Upton/South Kirkby - Thorp(e)
East Markham - Wilmot(t)
Middleton Tyas/South Cowton - Martin
Newton Upon Ouse - Goodbarn
Darley Dale - Hatfield
Wentworth/Tankersley - Allott and Trippett
Chedworth - Wilson and Tuffley

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Re: Finding a death date for Mary Ann Waite b1855 Harlington, London
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 November 17 15:24 GMT (UK) »
Electoral roll for 1928

15 Great Charlotte St, Blackfriars Rd

George Marney
Maud Alicia Marney
Charles John Samuel Waite

For 1926: same people, plus a Samuel Morris.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Finding a death date for Mary Ann Waite b1855 Harlington, London
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 November 17 15:29 GMT (UK) »
Mary Ann Waite is listed in the electoral roll at 15 Great Charlotte St in 1918, 1919, 1920, 1921 (but not in 1923 or later).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Finding a death date for Mary Ann Waite b1855 Harlington, London
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 15 November 17 15:34 GMT (UK) »
So that gives a very narrow window for a death, 2 years, unless she left Samuel.
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