Author Topic: William Harcourt HENWOOD c1897-1967  (Read 937 times)

Offline Dundee

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Re: William Harcourt HENWOOD c1897-1967
« Reply #18 on: Friday 24 November 17 11:51 GMT (UK) »
...... he fought for NZ but WITH Aust during WWI. Possibly during the Gallipoli campaign

Except that there is no NZ service record.  The company which produced the cemetery plaque should have been aware of legislation forbidding the use of the Rising Sun emblem without written permission.  Why would his plaque carry the AIF emblem instead of NZ?

Perhaps your friend is not aware of the depth of information on a NZ marriage cert....

Bride and Groom

    When and where married
    Name and surname of the parties
    Ages
    Rank or profession
    Condition of parties
    Bachelor or spinster (or as case may be)
    If widow or widower date of death of former wife or husband
    Birthplace
    Residence: Present, Usual

Parents

    Father's name and surname
    Father's rank or profession
    Mothers name and Maiden surname


Signatures

    Bride and groom
    Witnesses
    Officiating minister (or Registrar)


https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/marriage

Debra  :)

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Re: William Harcourt HENWOOD c1897-1967
« Reply #19 on: Friday 24 November 17 20:13 GMT (UK) »

The similarities between these two men, time of disappearance of HBL, appearance of WHH, service number etc is amazing.     

Hmm ... I really can't agree that there are similarities between these two men ... and certainly there's nothing that borders on being "amazing".  ;D   
(The NZ service number is unique to HBL and it is distinctly different to the supposed A.I.F. number allocated to WHH. )
Just my personal view ... but I would be  looking to do something other than "barking up this LUSCOMBE tree".   ;D

Additional info for H.B. LUSCOMBE - (for elimination purposes) :  This man was born at Ashburton,  (South Island) NZ in June 1893.   His parents, Roger Bond LUSCOMBE and Susan Jane PERRING (ex Devon) arrived in Canterbury in 1874.
They eventually married in NZ in 1904 and about 1912, returned to Devon, UK.   HBL appears to have gone with them as he wed his 1st wife there in 1913 ?   And although there was a divorce from wife # 1 in NZ in 1920, HBL managed to squeeze in another "marriage" beforehand, on 9 July 1918, Westminster (London) to Rosina Elizabeth BRABHAM using the name Henry Hingston LUSCOMBE (bachelor - aged 25 - Lance Cpl. NZED, residence: On Active Service, Father: Roger Bond Luscombe, farmer : ) ::)   So Florence, his NZ bride of 1922, was actually wife # 3.  The last living of his children with Florence, died just a matter of days ago in Auckland aged 89 (born c. 1928).  But a daughter (buried with Florence) who died aged 11 in 1940, appears to have been the youngest.   HBL, an apiarist, last appeared on NZ e/roll ( 1931 - Mid-Canterbury) with wife Florence, residing at Trevors Road, Ashburton.   Prior -  in 1928 they'd lived at the small settlement of Flemington (HBL a labourer)  .
[Source:  Various NZ / UK records, newspaper articles, etc. ]


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Re: William Harcourt HENWOOD c1897-1967
« Reply #20 on: Monday 27 November 17 02:53 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your reply Dundee.

I can ask if they are willing to purchase the 1931 marriage cert but they already know that I am stuck at this point so I'm just hoping that they will do so.
As for the details on the plaque, I assume that the second wife who is now deceased had organised the funeral and must have had some kind of proof. The only family member willing to be involved in these discussions is the youngest child and she was in her mid teens when her father died 50 years ago. She is willing though to purchase the cert for the second marriage (to her mother) though as that took place after they had already been together 20 years it may not provide the info we're looking for.

...... he fought for NZ but WITH Aust during WWI. Possibly during the Gallipoli campaign

Except that there is no NZ service record.  The company which produced the cemetery plaque should have been aware of legislation forbidding the use of the Rising Sun emblem without written permission.  Why would his plaque carry the AIF emblem instead of NZ?

Perhaps your friend is not aware of the depth of information on a NZ marriage cert....

Bride and Groom

    When and where married
    Name and surname of the parties
    Ages
    Rank or profession
    Condition of parties
    Bachelor or spinster (or as case may be)
    If widow or widower date of death of former wife or husband
    Birthplace
    Residence: Present, Usual

Parents

    Father's name and surname
    Father's rank or profession
    Mothers name and Maiden surname


Signatures

    Bride and groom
    Witnesses
    Officiating minister (or Registrar)


https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/marriage

Debra  :)
Compton: England (Hampshire, Surrey), Australia
Bentley: England (Lancashire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire), Australia
McGowan: NZ, Australia
Rowley: NZ, England, Australia
Salvin: NZ, England, Australia
Von Lehenner: Germany, England

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Re: William Harcourt HENWOOD c1897-1967
« Reply #21 on: Monday 27 November 17 03:00 GMT (UK) »
Another marriage? My goodness he was a busy man.

It's because of the confusion that I had been discussing HBL off-forum just so as not to go off-track. It's looking like WHH might remain a mystery man unless his dau can gather additional information within her family. I hope she can talk them around, as being older they might have different recollections of family stories, what they had been told of his past and parents etc.


The similarities between these two men, time of disappearance of HBL, appearance of WHH, service number etc is amazing.     

Hmm ... I really can't agree that there are similarities between these two men ... and certainly there's nothing that borders on being "amazing".  ;D   
(The NZ service number is unique to HBL and it is distinctly different to the supposed A.I.F. number allocated to WHH. )
Just my personal view ... but I would be  looking to do something other than "barking up this LUSCOMBE tree".   ;D

Additional info for H.B. LUSCOMBE - (for elimination purposes) :  This man was born at Ashburton,  (South Island) NZ in June 1893.   His parents, Roger Bond LUSCOMBE and Susan Jane PERRING (ex Devon) arrived in Canterbury in 1874.
They eventually married in NZ in 1904 and about 1912, returned to Devon, UK.   HBL appears to have gone with them as he wed his 1st wife there in 1913 ?   And although there was a divorce from wife # 1 in NZ in 1920, HBL managed to squeeze in another "marriage" beforehand, on 9 July 1918, Westminster (London) to Rosina Elizabeth BRABHAM using the name Henry Hingston LUSCOMBE (bachelor - aged 25 - Lance Cpl. NZED, residence: On Active Service, Father: Roger Bond Luscombe, farmer : ) ::)   So Florence, his NZ bride of 1922, was actually wife # 3.  The last living of his children with Florence, died just a matter of days ago in Auckland aged 89 (born c. 1928).  But a daughter (buried with Florence) who died aged 11 in 1940, appears to have been the youngest.   HBL, an apiarist, last appeared on NZ e/roll ( 1931 - Mid-Canterbury) with wife Florence, residing at Trevors Road, Ashburton.   Prior -  in 1928 they'd lived at the small settlement of Flemington (HBL a labourer)  .
[Source:  Various NZ / UK records, newspaper articles, etc. ]


  ~  Lu
Compton: England (Hampshire, Surrey), Australia
Bentley: England (Lancashire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire), Australia
McGowan: NZ, Australia
Rowley: NZ, England, Australia
Salvin: NZ, England, Australia
Von Lehenner: Germany, England