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1891 Census. Alice Frances Ford born 1883 in Kent
« on: Thursday 16 November 17 08:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi there, it would be much appreciated if someone could confirm that Alice Frances Ford was part of the family of John William Ford and his wife Mary Ann of Medway, Kent. (Gillingham?)

In 1891 John William would have been aged 40, Mary Ann age 35 and Alice Frances 8. Other siblings are Elizabeth aged 12, Frederick aged 10, George aged 3 and possibly Ellen (born in 1891)

I have the same family in the 1901 census with the addition of three siblings but not Alice Frances - she was then 18 and listed at another household in Gillingham as a domestic servant.

Thank you

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Re: 1891 Census. Alice Frances Ford born 1883 in Kent
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 16 November 17 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Welcome to rootschat

Have you checked for mothers maiden name on the birth registrations of all of the children
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Re: 1891 Census. Alice Frances Ford born 1883 in Kent
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 16 November 17 08:36 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat.

Assume that we are talking about John William Ford who married Mary Ann Watkins - September quarter 1878 in North Aylesford Registration District.

Alice Frances Ford, registered June quarter 1883 in Medway Registration District has a mother's maiden name of Watkins.

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Re: 1891 Census. Alice Frances Ford born 1883 in Kent
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 16 November 17 09:22 GMT (UK) »
Alice Frances FORD born 20 March 1883, bp 22 April 1883 Royal Dockyard Church, Chatham.
Father John William FORD Private in the Royal Marine Light Infantry.
Mother Mary Anne.

Elizabeth Ann bp 1 December 1878 Holy Trinity, Brompton.
Frederick John bp 8 February 1882 Royal Dockyard Church
George William bp 8 July 1888 Holy Trinity, Brompton.
Ellen Mary bp 22 March 1891 Holy Trinity, Brompton.

Parish records can be searched on Cityark.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: 1891 Census. Alice Frances Ford born 1883 in Kent
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 16 November 17 09:31 GMT (UK) »
MARRIAGE;
11 Aug 1878, St Mary the Virgin, Chalk, Kent
John William FORD, Soldier of full age, Father THOMAS Ford a Gardener
Mary Ann WATKINS, Spinster of full age, Father GEORGE Watkins a Labourer
Witnesses Solomon Oliver/Ellen Hayler
( Source FreeREG)

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Re: 1891 Census. Alice Frances Ford born 1883 in Kent
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 16 November 17 10:04 GMT (UK) »
JOHN WILLIAM Ford christening:5 May 1850, Ticehurst, Sussex
Parents THOMAS/ELIZABETH
(Source Familysearch.Org)

You may need to be careful as the surname is sometimes FOORD

John Williams Parents from 1851 Census are Thomas/Elizabeth.
They also have a Son Thomas H Ford born c 1847 and Edward Sindler Ford c 1845 Frant

FOORD**, THOMAS  HENRY, Mothers maiden name    SINDEN***
GRO Reference: 1846  S Quarter in TICEHURST UNION  Volume 07  Page 412

FreeBMD has Thomas/Elizabeths Marriage Reg Sept 1845 Ticehurst, 7 715
Thomas FOORD** and Elizabeth SINDEN on same page

Looks to me that Edward was born before the Marriage;
SINDEN, (unnamed male)     -  no Mothers mn
GRO Reference: 1844  J Quarter in EASTBOURNE  Volume 07  Page 331


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Re: 1891 Census. Alice Frances Ford born 1883 in Kent
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 16 November 17 10:09 GMT (UK) »
Even England Marriages on Anc has an entry mistake;

Marriage 8 Sep 1845, Ticehurst, Sussex
Elizabeth LINDEN, Father HENRY Linden
Thomas FORD, Father THOMAS Ford

From Census Elizabeth Ford nee Sinden is born c 1822 Hawkhurst, Kent.
Her Baptism is on Anc 1822

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Re: 1891 Census. Alice Frances Ford born 1883 in Kent
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 16 November 17 10:21 GMT (UK) »
Even England Marriages on Anc has an entry mistake;

Marriage 8 Sep 1845, Ticehurst, Sussex
Elizabeth LINDEN, Father HENRY Linden
Thomas FORD, Father THOMAS Ford

From Census Elizabeth Ford nee Sinden is born c 1822 Hawkhurst, Kent.
Her Baptism is on Anc 1822

And the GRO entry states Thomas Foord, with Elizabeth Sinden on the same page - September quarter - Ticehurst - page 715.

So, take your pick  :)
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Re: 1891 Census. Alice Frances Ford born 1883 in Kent
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 16 November 17 11:16 GMT (UK) »
Hello again. Thanks all for your speedy response - from information I had previously I can say that you are all on the money.
I was trying to confirm my family connection (Alice Frances was my maternal grandmother) to one of John William and Mary Ann's later children, Charles Francis born 1894. I think you have done that, especially Jebber because that information shows up in the 1901 census with the inclusion of Charles Francis and two others.

Charles F. was killed in France in 1918 and is mentioned on a Memorial in Vis en Artois near Arras. My brother has in his possession a small birthday greetings card with a written note on the back saying "From Chip, somewhere in France 1917".  I am going on a WW1 battlefield tour next year and this prompted me to try and find Chip's identity, story and family connection. This I have now done and will be able to pay my respects upon my visit to France.

Thank you all once again.

Bentlet