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Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« on: Thursday 16 November 17 12:33 GMT (UK) »
Re: BAPTISM in the parish of St.John Richmond Surrey England in 1865
When baptised :1865 June 4th. Born 1864 June 17th.
Childs name :Arthur
Parents name : Elizabeth TIMMIS & (blank)
Abode : Lewis Place
Quality Trade Profession : Single woman.

Any information about either of these two people would be very welcome. They are a big crack in a large wall :)
ROBINS Richmond Birmingham Stafford UK Chicago Ill.USA.
TURNER London UK
GREENHALF London UK
McGIVERN Armagh, Castleblaney & Leitrim, Ireland
McHUGH Leitrim Ireland
TIMMIS Richmond Surrey Stafford
WILSON Letterkenny Ireland,Scotland
DNA R-FGC51610  K1a10a

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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 16 November 17 12:57 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps if you tell us what you know about them then we can see what else we can find.  That way we don't duplicate what you have
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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 16 November 17 13:19 GMT (UK) »
You have an earlier post on this couple
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=412504.
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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 16 November 17 13:32 GMT (UK) »
I have theories, rumours and guesses but after many years I am now only interested in facts and sources. I've seen the light :)

I can find no paper trace of  this Elizabeth TIMMIS in Richmond with a son Arthur. No birth certificate for Arthur.

I have a DNA match with a person who has an Elizabeth TIMMIS in his tree.

My grandfather Arthur ROBINS was allegedly born in Richmond in 1864 but there is no trace of him before 1871. He was then in Stafford with his younger brother Ernest who was born in Warwickshire.Again no trace before 1871.

There is an Elizabeth TIMMIS single woman who gave birth to an Ernest in Warwickshire.

There are many families named TIMMIS in Staffordshire.

Lewis Place was demolished to make way for the A316 Great Chertsey Road.

So I'm looking for a hint,clue,idea from the power of the people on Rootschat into this particular couple in Richmond Surrey .
ROBINS Richmond Birmingham Stafford UK Chicago Ill.USA.
TURNER London UK
GREENHALF London UK
McGIVERN Armagh, Castleblaney & Leitrim, Ireland
McHUGH Leitrim Ireland
TIMMIS Richmond Surrey Stafford
WILSON Letterkenny Ireland,Scotland
DNA R-FGC51610  K1a10a

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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 16 November 17 13:39 GMT (UK) »
No birth certificate for Arthur.

TIMMIS, ARTHUR
No mother's maiden surname so probably illegitimate.
GRO Reference: 1864  S Quarter in RICHMOND SURREY  Volume 02A  Page 246

Debra  :)

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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 16 November 17 13:41 GMT (UK) »
You have an earlier post on this couple
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=412504.

Yes indeed. The post is marked "Completed". I was wrong. It's a lesson to us all. Sources, sources, sources. Eight years on and I'm still looking . 
ROBINS Richmond Birmingham Stafford UK Chicago Ill.USA.
TURNER London UK
GREENHALF London UK
McGIVERN Armagh, Castleblaney & Leitrim, Ireland
McHUGH Leitrim Ireland
TIMMIS Richmond Surrey Stafford
WILSON Letterkenny Ireland,Scotland
DNA R-FGC51610  K1a10a

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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 16 November 17 13:44 GMT (UK) »
And
TIMMIS, ERNEST       MMN -     
GRO Reference: 1866  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 128

My grandfather Arthur ROBINS was allegedly born in Richmond in 1864 but there is no trace of him before 1871. He was then in Stafford with his younger brother Ernest who was born in Warwickshire.
Who are they with? Will read other thread now...

ADDED: Ah I see both those birth registrations were found before.

FURTHER ADDED:
1871 RG10; Piece: 2819; Folio: 86; Page: 9
William Thompson   60 Bookkeeper b Norfolk Upwell
Martha Thompson   44
Frederick Wm Thompson   21 solicitor's general clerk
Ann M Thompson   18
above 3 born Cambs, Wisbech
Pheobe M Shargool   17 boarder b Stafford
Arthur Robins   6 boarder b Riochmond
Ernest Robins   4 boarder b Birmingham
Dora Shelley   21 gen servant
John Deacon   38 lodger salesman
Emma Deacon   33

I think the most likely explanation [expounded on other thread] is that William Austin either didn't want the boys or didn't know about them. Strange Elizabeth''s daughter was welcome though. The fact that the boys are boarders could mean the Thompsons were paid to look after them - a common practice.

First thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=290936.0

As you say, the name change is intriguing; have you looked at workhouse admission records for Birmingham ca 1867?
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 16 November 17 14:10 GMT (UK) »
So Elizabeth married in 1874 to John Bayley TIMMIS and then she died in 1876, is that correct?

When Arthur ROBINS married what information did he give about his father?

Debra  :)

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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 16 November 17 14:27 GMT (UK) »
Given in the first thread, Dundee. Some back reading required although rosie99 did ask for all known info....
Arthurs marriage certificate has a penciled note " Fathers christian name not known , William ? ". Ernests first marriage certificate has father " Thomas ROBINS" occupation grocer. His second marriage has father named Arthur William
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON