Author Topic: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865  (Read 1135 times)

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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #18 on: Friday 17 November 17 01:54 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Debra,
You prompted a search.
A clue perhaps from 1861.
John Swingwood
Head
Married
Age   55
Birth year   1806
Occupation   Gardener
Birth town   Stone
Birth county   Staffordshire
Kew Road Lewis Place
Richmond
Surrey
Ecclesiastical district   St John
Registration district   Richmond upon Thames
Archive reference   RG09
Piece number   459
Folio   122
Page number   22
Family member last name   Swingwood
Family member first name(s)   Rose, Thomas, Richmond, Ann, John
Record set   1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Aaaaarrrrgh next household " Not at home " :o

The Elizabeth TIMMIS that surfaced with my DNA match died in Stone Stafford.
ROBINS Richmond Birmingham Stafford UK Chicago Ill.USA.
TURNER London UK
GREENHALF London UK
McGIVERN Armagh, Castleblaney & Leitrim, Ireland
McHUGH Leitrim Ireland
TIMMIS Richmond Surrey Stafford
WILSON Letterkenny Ireland,Scotland
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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #19 on: Friday 17 November 17 02:57 GMT (UK) »
Lewis Place.There are three abodes 1.2.3. Between 20/30 residents. Multiple families. I notice Rose SWINGWOOD lives there through 1861-81 and becomes a Lodging House Keeper.
ROBINS Richmond Birmingham Stafford UK Chicago Ill.USA.
TURNER London UK
GREENHALF London UK
McGIVERN Armagh, Castleblaney & Leitrim, Ireland
McHUGH Leitrim Ireland
TIMMIS Richmond Surrey Stafford
WILSON Letterkenny Ireland,Scotland
DNA R-FGC51610  K1a10a

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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #20 on: Friday 17 November 17 09:42 GMT (UK) »
What information does the birth certificate give
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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #21 on: Friday 17 November 17 11:15 GMT (UK) »
After two more years today I got a match with a possible fourth to sixth cousin...not particularly remarkable...I get these frequently but always on my maternal side. Todays match is only with myself and my brother which is very unusual and I wondered if this was a paternal match.
The matching cousin has a family tree on Ancestry ( I know, treat it with a pinch of salt ) but his great great grandmother was Elizabeth Caroline Louisa TIMMIS......

So Elizabeth married in 1874 to John Bayley TIMMIS and then she died in 1876, is that correct?

John and Elizabeth had twin boys in 1876 and she died later that year.  Ralph TIMMIS was with his paternal grandmother Frances TIMMIS in 1881/1891 and Percy Rowland TIMMIS was with his uncle Thomas's family and enumerated as their son.  Is your DNA match from Ralph or Percy's family?  Have you tried to track down all lines from Elizabeth to see if you are all a match?

I haven't been able to find Elizabeth after 1851 1861 when she was with her father, have you?

Debra  :)

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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #22 on: Friday 17 November 17 11:21 GMT (UK) »
John Bayley TIMMIS married twice more after Elizabeth died and looking at family trees on Ancestry I don't think any of them have quite come to grips with the various relationships.

Debra  :)

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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #23 on: Friday 17 November 17 13:58 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again Rosie and Debra.

Just spent ages looking for the birth certs.They are somewhere safe:)

 Debra the DNA match was with Christopher Ventiroso (possible 4th-6th cousin)who has a public tree on Ancestry.

If that's accurate we share 3rd to 5th great grandparent.(I think). He is on Ralphs' line but the match could be way before that.

No I haven't found Elizabeth Caroline Louisa TIMMIS  unless this is her 1871 RG/10 2966 number on schedule, 80 as Caroline TIMMIS niece of Thomas & Elizabeth DAY.

I'm not surprised the trees you found are confusing. Timmis marries Timmis etc. and they nearly  all live within the same county.

There's another Elizabeth TIMMIS who was sentenced to seven years penal servitude in Stafford in 1876.

That's why I've returned to Richmond 1864 where "Arthur" was born to look for clues. But where do you look beyond GRO and census records ?
ROBINS Richmond Birmingham Stafford UK Chicago Ill.USA.
TURNER London UK
GREENHALF London UK
McGIVERN Armagh, Castleblaney & Leitrim, Ireland
McHUGH Leitrim Ireland
TIMMIS Richmond Surrey Stafford
WILSON Letterkenny Ireland,Scotland
DNA R-FGC51610  K1a10a

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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #24 on: Friday 17 November 17 14:13 GMT (UK) »
No I haven't found Elizabeth Caroline Louisa TIMMIS  unless this is her 1871 RG/10 2966 number on schedule, 80 as Caroline TIMMIS niece of Thomas & Elizabeth DAY.

Yes, I was also looking at her.  I think that Elizabeth DAY was Elizabeth Sarah BATE, sister of ECL's mother Caroline.

Debra  :)

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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #25 on: Monday 28 May 18 10:25 BST (UK) »
You must share DNA with me as Elizabeth Timmis was my great grandmother if she procured Ernest my grandfather.

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Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« Reply #26 on: Monday 28 May 18 10:46 BST (UK) »
I'm just going over old thoughts in the hope someone will pop up and say " Liz, thats my dear old great granny ". It happens :)
You must share DNA with me as Elizabeth Timmis was my great grandmother if she procured Ernest my grandfather.
:) ;)
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