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Tryphena Venn - woman of mystery
« on: Saturday 18 November 17 15:32 GMT (UK) »
According to her 1896 death cert. she was born in 1811. I think I have traced her in the census from 1851 to 1881 working as a live in cook. Her birthplace appears to be Bradninch or Cullompton, but I can't find a record online.
She had a daughter Emma born about 1852, supposedly in Newton Abbot, but again no obvious record. Emma's marriage cert. states that her father was William Venn, engineer, but again no record of a marriage or census entry, so assume William was invented for respectability and that Emma was illegitimate.
So I am back looking for records of any Venn's living  in the Cullompton area, no luck so far , can anyone help?

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Re: Tryphena Venn - woman of mystery
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 18 November 17 15:49 GMT (UK) »
I think this is her in 1841? In Salcombe Regis.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQTB-HQB

According to this page, there is as yet no Online Parish Clerk for either Bradninch or Cullompton?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/OPCproject#Listing
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Re: Tryphena Venn - woman of mystery
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 18 November 17 15:52 GMT (UK) »
It's a great name isn't it.

Is this her in 1881 with a son Richard and grandson?

T Venn widow 68 nurse
Richard 26 son disabled naval seaman born Heavitree Devon
John W 16 grandson? printer born Heavitree Devon

John Woolaway Venn birth Sep 1864 St Thomas - no mothers maiden name

Not finding a birth for Richard
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Re: Tryphena Venn - woman of mystery
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 18 November 17 15:54 GMT (UK) »
There are these births:

VENN, EMMA    MM   POPE 
GRO Reference: 1851  J Quarter in TIVERTON  Volume 10  Page 303

   
GRO Reference: 1850  J Quarter in ST THOMAS  Volume 10  Page 258   
VENN, EMMA       BLEASE 

EDIT..The Tiverton one is the Daughter of William and Elizabeth living in London in 1891  ::)

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Re: Tryphena Venn - woman of mystery
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 18 November 17 16:01 GMT (UK) »
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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
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Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
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Re: Tryphena Venn - woman of mystery
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 18 November 17 16:09 GMT (UK) »
Good find that looks like her.

There are two 1871 entries for Richard Venn - patient Royal Naval hospital Plymouth which would tie in with the 1881 census info and boy 2nd class on the Impregnable vessels.

Birth 6 Dec 1855 per naval record.

There's a death in 1883 age 30 that could be him. 
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Re: Tryphena Venn - woman of mystery
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 18 November 17 16:15 GMT (UK) »
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I think I have traced her in the census from 1851 to 1881 working as a live in cook.

Where do you have her in 1861?  I take it no children are with her - where was Emma?
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Re: Tryphena Venn - woman of mystery
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 18 November 17 16:18 GMT (UK) »
Looks like she is with Daughter Emma  Coles in 1891:


Emma Coles
[Emma Venn]
Gender:   Female
Age:   39
Relationship:   Wife
Birth Year:   1852
Mother:   Tryfona Venn
Spouse:   Matthew J H Coles
Child:   Margaret Coles
Robert Coles
Archibald Coles
John Coles
Hubert Coles
Florence Coles

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Re: Tryphena Venn - woman of mystery
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 18 November 17 16:19 GMT (UK) »
1861 Bath Road Heavitree

Thomas Venn 47 Ag Lab
Jane 48
Emma 19
John 11
Richard 8 all born Heavitree except Jane (Rockbeurne?)

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