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George Palmer
« on: Sunday 19 November 17 03:44 GMT (UK) »
Looking for the death of George Palmer born in 1850- Surrey, England. Death around 1937- buenos aires argentina (or so Iíve heard, been stories that this is where he died) I canít find any info on if he  died here or not.

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Mothers Maiden Name: Harris
Occupation: Boiler Maker
Wife:
Catherine Powell 1845-1896 married-12 Apr 1869, Parish Church, West Ham, England
Children:
 George Henry Palmer, B-1869
Mary Ann Elizabeth Palmer, B-1871
Carrie Palmer, B-1875 D-1910
Rose Palmer, B-1881
Emily Palmer  B-1885
Lived:
1871-East Ham,Essex, England
1881-West Ham, Essex, England




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Re: George Palmer
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 19 November 17 04:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi Chloerog

Just checking - you already have the 1891 Census for his wife and children in West Ham where Catherine is described as a deserted wife?
1891: RG12/ Piece 1324/ Folio 114/ Pg 39

Also do you have the first name of his mother, and the name of his father? Was it this family in Kent in 1861 : Parents Mary Ann, and John? 
RG 9 / Piece 397/ Folio 70 / Page 31

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Re: George Palmer
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 19 November 17 10:14 GMT (UK) »
No I do not have that census, I will have to look for that. And I only know his mother maiden name not first names unfortunately.  :(

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Re: George Palmer
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 19 November 17 13:11 GMT (UK) »
In the 1881 CENSUS you already have for George, with his wife & children he is:
Head: Geo PALMER 29, Boiler Maker, b Merstham, Surrey.

This is the 1891 - CENSUS: at 28 Lower Road, West Ham, Essex - George is missing:
RG12  Piece 1324 / Folio  114 / Pg39
Head: Catherine PALMER 44, m (deserted), Charwoman, b Chelmsford Essex
Son: George H PALMER 21, m, General Labourer (Boiler Maker), b Canning Town, Essex
Dau-in-Law: Louisa H PALMER 20, m, b Limehouse, Middlesex
Dau: Rosie PALMER 9, b Canning Town Essex
Dau: Emily PALMER 5, b Canning Town Essex.

The following is a good fit to be George baptism &  prior to his marriage

1850 - BAPTISM: at Merstham St Katherine, Surrey
On 24th November 1850 - George PALMER,
Son of Mary Ann and John PALMER, Labourer, Merstham

1861 - CENSUS: at 42 Butcher Row, Deptford St Nicholas, Kent
Head: John PALMER 42, Bricklayers Labourer, b. N.K. Sussex
Wife: Mary A PALMER 38, b Cheam, Surrey
Son: George PALMER 11, b Merstrum, Surrey
Son: Henry PALMER 9, b Merstrum, Surrey
Son William PALMER 7, b Merstrum, Surrey
Son: Ned PALMER 5, b Croydon Surrey
Dau: Harriet PALMER 4,  b Croydon Surrey
Dau: Caroline PALMER 9?m, b Croydon Surrey

1871 - CENSUS: at Railway Terr(ace) , Feltham, Middlesex
RG10 / Piece  1303 / Folio 69 / Page 28
Head: Mary PALMER 50, widow, b Cheam Surrey
Son: William PALMER 17,  Engine Driver, b Surrey
Son: Ned PALMER 15, Bricks, b Surrey
Son: Charles PALMER 7, b Kent
Lodger: William PORTSMOUTH 19, Bricklayers Lab, b Feltham, Midx

BIRTH REGISTRATIONS GRO:
George 1850, Henry John 1852 - mms HARRIS, Reigate Reg District
Ned 1855, Harriet 1857, Caroline 1859 - mms HARRIS, Croydon Reg District
Charles 1862 - mms HARRIS, Greenwich Reg District

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Re: George Palmer
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 19 November 17 13:30 GMT (UK) »
ARGENTINA:
All of this may be a total co-incidence - but worth examining even if to eliminate:

BAPTISM 1906
http://www.argbrit.org/Barracas/Barracas_bapts.htm
Birth: 26 Jul 1905, Baptism: 27 Dec 1906
Birthplace: Ingeniero White, FCS
Name: George Frederick WHITTAL
Father: Levi
Mother: Ana nee PALMER
Baptised at: Christ Church, Barracas al Norte
Sponsors: George Harris PALMER and Elizabeth PALMER

BIRTHS 1899:
There is a birth in Barracas, Argentina of Ana Harris PALMER in 1899.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9396-XRSB-HD?i=750&cc=1972912
Her father: Jorge H PALMER, English, and mother: Eliza CONEY, English

Ana was listed first. On the same day, was baptised her 3 siblings:
Guillermo Tomas PALMER
Maria Ester PALMER
Flora PALMER

Clearly the Ana PALMER (Mrs WHTTAL) of 1906 cannot be the Ana Harris PALMER born 1905. 

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Re: George Palmer
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 November 17 15:57 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for all that info will defo look into it.
wonder why he deserted his family, very strange. Another mystery to add the the collection  ;D.