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What does this mean?
« on: Sunday 19 November 17 11:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,
The following is  from Bethams Abstracts.
It's about the Will left by Roger Levesey of co Wexford, Ireland  granted  14 Aug 1669

Can anyone tell me what is written after the name Wm Creed ? and what it means ???
All the other abstracts on the page usually say, wife,sister, brother etc.,  they are either the main beneficiary or administrator. Later abstracts actually list every family member mentioned in the Will.

William Creed is my interest rather than Roger Levesey.

thanks in advance, any ideas welcome
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Re: What does this mean?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 19 November 17 11:45 GMT (UK) »
I think it's   Prin Cred r = principal creditor

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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 19 November 17 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Agree with Dawn - it has a superscript r after Cred:

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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 19 November 17 11:49 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Dawn and Gadget,

I sort of guessed Prin might mean Principal but would a Creditor be mentioned in a Will though, rather than listing the main beneficiary?

So frustrating with Irish research... you get little hints then nothing
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Re: What does this mean?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 19 November 17 11:54 GMT (UK) »

Could it simply be that Roger Levesey wanted to be sure that William Creed was paid what he was owed and so he named him in the will  :-\
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Re: What does this mean?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 November 17 11:55 GMT (UK) »
I've often seen creditors named, in old Wills.  A creditor is someone to whom the Will writer owed money.
These days the wording is something like 'after all my debts have been paid'

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 19 November 17 12:00 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Dawn,  I've not seen it before but it would make sense.
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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 19 November 17 15:35 GMT (UK) »
would a Creditor be mentioned in a Will though, rather than listing the main beneficiary?

Is there something not showing in the extract that actually states there was a will that went to probate? If not, it looks likely to be just an administration, with no will.

Anyone with an interest could apply to administer the estate. For a creditor who was owed money by the deceased, it would probably be the best chance of getting his money back.

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 19 November 17 20:00 GMT (UK) »
Sadly that is all there is. Irish wills all went up in smoke in 1922, so we have to rely on indexes and, in this case, a small abstract.

It's not surprising, william Creed was a creditor, the family had money and his father was paymaster general to the army.
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