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Re: Latin will 1474
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 20:40 GMT (UK) »
I can dream that one day (in my lifetime) we could scan a document like this and the end result is a document translated in the language of our choice.

But then again, that would take all the fun out of it.

It just takes me a bit longer as the years progress.


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Re: Latin will 1474
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 23 November 17 09:17 GMT (UK) »
This section has given me the most grief.

Sorry for so many missing words.

2-1 ubicumque infra n(os)tram provinciam .... existenc(ium) ffelici Relict eiusdem Edwardi SAUNDERS Johanni LARGE et Nicholao
2-2 WALSH executoribus in dicto testamento nominat(o) si admi(ni)strac(i)o(n)em bonorum .... in se suscipere voluerit In debit Juris forma
2-3 co(m)ittend Et si admi(ni)strac(i)o(n)em bonorum .... in se suscip(er)e .... .... defunctem .... .... .... .... pro=
2-4 ....ciand et .... admi(ni)strac(i)o(n)em om(n)i(um) et singulorum bonorum dicti defuncti ubicumque infra provincia(m) ....
2-5 .... .... ac in quorumcu(n)que manibus existen(tibus) illis vel illis cui sen quibis de Jure fuit faetus Ac ad .... ....
2-6 .... ab .... sen ab .... cui vel quibus h(uius)mod(i) admi(ni)strac(i)o(n)em .... .... de bene et fidelit(er) bona h(uius)mod(i) iuxta
2-7 ip(s)ius defuncti ultimam voluntatem admi(ni)strand(o) Ac de pleno et fideli Inventario om(n)i(um) et singulorum bonorum et debitor(um)
2-8 h(uius)mod(i) conficiend(o) et nobis citra festum Annu(n)ciac(ionis) beate marie virginis proxim(e) futur(um) exhibend(o) necnon de plano

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Re: Latin will 1474
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 23 November 17 11:48 GMT (UK) »
2-1 ... provinciam anted(i)c(t)am ... Relict(e) ...

2-2 ... nominat(is) ... h(uius)mo(d)i in se suscipere volu(er)int In debit(a) ...

2-3 ... com(m)ittend(um) ... bonorum h(uius)mo(d)i in se suscip(er)e recusav(er)int d(i)c(t)u(m) defunctum ad viam intestati devenisse pro-

2-4 nunciand(um) & declarand(um) adm(ini)strac(i)o(n)emq(ue) ... provincia(m) n(ost)ram

2-5 an(te)d(i)c(t)am ac in quorumcu(m)q(ue) manibus existen(tium) illis vel illis cui seu quibus de Iure fu(er)it faciend(um) Ac ad recipiend(um) p(r)imitus

2-6 Iuramentum ab eo seu ab eis ... duxeris com(m)ittend(um) de bene ...

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Re: Latin will 1474
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 23 November 17 21:21 GMT (UK) »
I know there are no second prizes, but I did get close to some of those missing words. I think I just gave up trying all the possible variables.

The last word on line 2-4 and the first of 2-5 “n(ost)ram an(te)d(i)c(t)am” was just way too hard for me. Actually, it was exhausting.

Come to think of it, someone has to come last and it was me (again).

A huge thank you.

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Grantley


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Re: Latin will 1474
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 23 November 17 22:13 GMT (UK) »
“n(ost)ram an(te)d(i)c(t)am” was just way too hard for me.

An(te)d(i)c(t)am is a mean contraction, as it’s not common to omit -te- in the middle like that. But we did have the same phrase in line 8, where you very nearly got it.  ;)

Seriously, you’re doing a great job, and I feel sure you will overtake me before we reach the finishing post.

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Re: Latin will 1474
« Reply #14 on: Friday 24 November 17 08:57 GMT (UK) »
I hope that I am not expecting too much. Here is the next bit.


2-9 et vero compoto calculo sive Raciocinio nobis aut successoribus (i)uris in .... p(ar)te reddend(a) C....q(ue) faciend(a) ex(er)cend(a) et expe=
2-10 diend(a) que in p(re)misses nec(essar)ia fu(er)int seu quomodolibet oportuna Tihi de ciuis fidelitate et circumspectionis industria
2-11 in hac parte confidimus plenam in domino tenore p(rese)ncium com(m)ittimus p(otes)tatem Sigillo Ac signeto dicti defuncti
2-12 nobis spialiter reseruat(is) Et quid in p(rae)missis fecer(it)is nos citra festum p(rae)d(i)c(tu)m debit(is) c(er)tific(ant)es per (ves)tras l(ite)ras
2-13 patent(es) harum seriem modemque et formam execucionis earund(e)m et verum tenore dicti testamenti et ultime voluntis
2-14 ac nomi(n)a eorund(e)m admi(ni)strac(i)o(n)em bonorum h(uius)mod(i) in se suscipientium continent() .... sigillat() dat(u)m Man(er)io
2-15 n(ost)ro de Lamehith sub sigillo Archiexatus .... nono die mensis Novembr(is) Anno d(omi)ni mill(es)imo CCCC mo lxxiij tio
2-16 Et n(ost)re Tanis Anno vicesimo Ciuis quidem Rev(er)end(is) com(mi)ssionis vestre an(tedic)te ....script Ffeliciam Relict
2-17 Ric(ardum) MAKYRNESSE Edwardum SAUNDERS Johannem LARGE & Nich(olu)m WALSH executores in testamento dicti Ricardi

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Re: Latin will 1474
« Reply #15 on: Friday 24 November 17 14:52 GMT (UK) »
2-9 ... n(ost)ris in ea p(ar)te reddend(o) Cet(er)aq(ue) ...

2-10 ... p(re)missis nec(essar)ia ... oportunt. Tibi de cuius fidelitate ...

2-12 nobis sp(ec)ialiter reservat(o) ... feceris ... debit(e) c(er)tifices per tuas l(itte)ras

2-13 ... modumq(ue) ... tenore(m) ... volun(ta)tis

2-14 ... continent(ium) ... in Man(er)io
(I'm not sure what’s written before Sigillat')

2-15 ... Lamehith(e) ... Archiep(iscop)atus ...

2.16 ... Tr(anslacio)nis ... Rev(er)end(e) ... auc(torita)te retroscript(a) ... Relict(am)

2.17 Ric(ard)i ... Nich(olau)m ...

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Re: Latin will 1474
« Reply #16 on: Friday 24 November 17 20:26 GMT (UK) »
(I'm not sure what’s written before Sigillat')

Revisiting 2-14, I now wonder if it’s an(n)ex(atum) sigillat(um) dat(um) = annexed, sealed (and) given ?

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Re: Latin will 1474
« Reply #17 on: Friday 24 November 17 20:53 GMT (UK) »
For the bulk of your additions, they are mostly so obvious, especially when someone else does it. :)

Some of the contractions are a bit too much - Tr(anslacio)nis

Your "an(n)ex(atum)" seems a good choice, especially when line 2-18 includes “p(rese)ntibus annex(is) nominat(is) et deputat(is)”.

Thank you very much.