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Christina Sutherland, Edinburgh
« on: Monday 20 November 17 22:34 GMT (UK) »
Hello, I'm new to RootsChat and I'm hoping that someone can suggest ways to solve an Edinburgh mystery.

Starting with what I definitely know and working backwards:
Christina Sutherland died of typhus on 30 August 1874 in the Royal Infirmary. The death certificate gives her age as 46 and occupation as a nurse at the Royal Infirmary. It has no parents named. The informant was Christina's daughter Mary. The certificate gives her as the widow of John Sutherland, Cabinetmaker. I believe this last piece of information to be untrue as there's no record that Christina was ever married, and definitely not to a John Sutherland. Where might she be buried?

Christina's daughter Mary married on 31 Dec 1872. Mary's name is given as Mary Sutherland Sword and her parents are listed as James Sword, Cabinetmaker and Christina Sword, MS Sutherland. Mary was 18 and living at 14 Advocates Close. She married William Anderson.

On the 1871 census for 14 Advocates Close, Mary Sword age 16 is the lodger of Margaret Carnie, Mary is listed as born Edinburgh, Tron. Christina Sutherland is on the census at the Royal Infirmary, married, age 40, Day Nurse, born Edinburgh.

On the 1861 census for 489 Lawnmarket, Christina Sutherland, head, married, age 33, shirtmaker, born Edinburgh Tolbooth and Mary Sutherland, dau, 6, scholar, born Edinburgh Tolbooth

And now I'm stuck. I can't find any birth/baptism record for Mary (either using Sutherland or Sword) who would have been born around 1854. There is no record of a Christina Sutherland marrying either James Sword or John Sutherland. I've looked at the 1851 and 1841 census to see if I can identify Christina but there are 5-6 people of that name and of similar ages to her. In 1851 there's a Christina Sutherland who is the lodger of a James and Margaret Carnie living in 2 Advocates Close which seems a good possibility given where Mary was a lodger in 1871.

I'd love to know if anyone has suggestions for how find out about Christina's early life. And what was life like for women with an illegitimate child in the Old Town at that time?
Thanks very much!

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Re: Christina Sutherland, Edinburgh
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 21 November 17 08:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi , welcome to RC  :)

If it's the same Margaret Cairnie on the 1871 Census that would seem to be a bit of a coincidence -
1851 Census(FreeCEN)
2 Advocates Close , Edinburgh , Midlothian
James Cairnie 53 tailor journeyman b. Dundee Angus
Margaret Cairnie 50 wife b. Edinburgh Midlothian
Christina Sutherland 22 lodger bookbinder b. Edinburgh Midlothian
+ 4 other lodgers


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Re: Christina Sutherland, Edinburgh
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 10:52 GMT (UK) »


Starting with what I definitely know and working backwards:
Christina Sutherland died of typhus on 30 August 1874 in the Royal Infirmary. The death certificate gives her age as 46 and occupation as a nurse at the Royal Infirmary. It has no parents named. The informant was Christina's daughter Mary. The certificate gives her as the widow of John Sutherland, Cabinetmaker. I believe this last piece of information to be untrue as there's no record that Christina was ever married, and definitely not to a John Sutherland. Where might she be buried?

Christina's daughter Mary married on 31 Dec 1872. Mary's name is given as Mary Sutherland Sword and her parents are listed as James Sword, Cabinetmaker and Christina Sword, MS Sutherland. Mary was 18 and living at 14 Advocates Close. She married William Anderson.



Not too sure you have the correct person to start with, you say her daughter, Mary registered the death, and said she was married to a John Sutherland. You say she was not married, at least not to a John Sutherland.

In next paragraph you say her daughter is Mary Sutherland Sword, I am not getting how you are linking up these 2 facts.

Can you maybe post how you got back to Christine Sutherland, and any other certificate.

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Re: Christina Sutherland, Edinburgh
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 20:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tom,
Yes, the Christina on the death certificate is the same person as the Christina listed as Mary Sutherland Sword's mother on the marriage certificate. The 1874 death was registered by "Mary Anderson, daughter," address in Dunfermline, Fife. Mary and William Anderson's first child was born in Dunfermline in 1873. Mary's signature on Christina's death certificate is the same as her signature when she reported the death of her 5 month old daughter in 1891.

Additionally, Christina worked at the Royal Infirmary. Mary and William's marriage was conducted by the Rev J. Hamilton of 5 Argyle Place. According to Edinburgh Post Office Directories, Rev Hamilton was chaplain at the Royal Infirmary.

If the info on the death certificate that Christina was the widow of John Sutherland is correct, then both the marriage and John Sutherland's death must have taken place in the 20 months between 31 Dec 1872 and 30 August 1874 (and James Sword must also have died in that time since the marriage certificate doesn't list him as deceased). But there are no records of this happening so I think it's more likely that Mary gave the registrar a fake name for the death certificate to cover up that her mother wasn't married. I can't find any evidence that Christina was married to James Sword either. The only time she's referred to as Christina Sword is on Mary's marriage certificate, possibly also a cover up for illegitimacy.

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Re: Christina Sutherland, Edinburgh
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 22:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi EdinKath,

Still a bit confused about Christina, not sure what her maiden surname was, or if she was married at all. Without certificates that can be trusted, I think breaking down this wall will be impossible.

Tom

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Re: Christina Sutherland, Edinburgh
« Reply #5 on: Monday 27 November 17 13:19 GMT (UK) »
Just as a wildcard you could look for daughter Mary's birth under the Carnie surname...
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Re: Christina Sutherland, Edinburgh
« Reply #6 on: Monday 27 November 17 13:31 GMT (UK) »
Another is sometimes Christina is 'Christian' as a possibility?

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