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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 01:11 GMT (UK) »
There's a  Mary Ellen Smith. baptised 14 Mar 1841,  St Oswald, Chester.  father John, mother Maria.

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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 09:42 GMT (UK) »
Maybe the right John & Maria Smith plus children in Renshaw St, Liverpool in 1851.
Is John Smith related to your George Smith? Could be a possibility.
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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 16:34 GMT (UK) »
Possible death for Mary Yates
YATES, MARY        age 79      
GRO Reference: 1870  S Quarter in BIRKENHEAD  Volume 08A  Page 283
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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 16:50 GMT (UK) »
Had a thought that as James & Mary seem to have been born and lived in Chester, maybe they were buried there too!
Overleigh Cemetery, Chester, Grave no R5061 has the following burials:
Surname   Forename           Age   Date of Death   Date of Burial
Bowden   Sarah           39 y   11/05/1873   15/05/1873
Parry           Henry Greening   25 y   10/03/1876   13/03/1876
Yates           James           70 y   15/04/1858   19/04/1858
Yates           Mary                   79 y   23/07/1870   27/07/1870

Seem to tally with the death cert refs I suggested. James was a mariner.
Go to http://archivedatabases.cheshire.gov.uk/cms/LacOverleighCemetery/home.aspx for the Overleigh database.

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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 18:35 GMT (UK) »
Wow Ray you are a super sleuth

Meanwhile I looked for connections between John Smith b 1812 Liverpool who married Maria Yates

He was a bookkeeper and timber merchant

My George b 1826  was a poulterer he had no siblings called John
But I did find out that his birth in Great Boughton was also at Oswald's. And I realised he was there in 1841 before marrying Margaret in 1850
From 1852 they lived in Birkenhead and had 8 girls and 1 boy

This family has a lot of females

 .Maria and John Smiths daughter Mary Ellen Smith dressmaker of house aged 40
With her unmarried siblings Elizabeth aged 37 milliner
Emma 35 dressmaker and William 25 commercial clerk

James Yates and Margaret had 8 children ..only one son James Yates b 1822

*   PARRY  Henry  Greening seems  odd

Or could this be a child
Of Elizabeth .Jane or Sarah Yates
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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 20:54 GMT (UK) »
I believe
Henry Greening Parry was the husband of their grandaughters Martha Adams ..B abt 1855 Chester

Now  to find who she is the daughter of .

My tree on ancestry is now wrong because I thought he was the son of Elizabeth Yates * I'm rewriting it.
A tree on ancestry says his mother died in 1851 so Elizabeth PARRY is his father henry.s second wife ....all getting very complicated and taking me away from the YATES family
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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 23:09 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the useful link to  the overleigh cemetery  site

I've browsed it a bit.

 In 1871 Henry G PARRY age 20 was a boarder a timber merchant  in Cheshire

Martha Adams aged 18 was with her aunt Ellen and uncle Robert BAKER a canal operator
Maybe they met when he delivered wood

The couple married in 1874 in Wales but he died two years later .Henry greening Parry .s mother died when he was young and he may not have been close to his family his half siblings were a decade younger than him.
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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 23 November 17 04:55 GMT (UK) »
I think I've found James Yates junior
He.s married to Ann from Mellwych ?  Wales

This James turns up in Nantwich Birmingham and Stockport

As a canal trader

A wharfinger ....could be something to do with canals ?

A Wesleyan preacher. ....is there a way of knowing or guessing religion from how children's births are recorded ??

He lived til at least 1891 and had 10 children !   Which also fits in with the other fertile YATES
There don't seem to be many child deaths through the generations
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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 23 November 17 19:01 GMT (UK) »

James Yates
England, Cheshire Parish Registers
Name    James Yates
Event Type    Marriage
Event Date    11 Dec 1843
Event Place    St John, Chester, Cheshire, England
Gender    Male
Age (Formatted)    21y
Marital Status    Single
Father's Name    James Yates
Spouse's Name    Ann Peters
Spouse's Marital Status    Single
Spouse's Father's Name    John Peters

Wharfinger see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wharfinger

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