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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 21 November 17 15:23 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Adrian and solidrock

It looks like the Congleton death s are a different family connected to Uriah Yates and Sarah Oates
They seem to be a family of shoemakers based in Smallwood Astbury Cheshire

I got interested that Jabez Yates  had a father in law called James Yates of the right age but he turned out to also be from Smallwood   a labourer  age 59 in 1851 with wife Fanny  and daughter Sarah age 20

so my St. Oswald Yates family are still a mystery except for Margaret my great great  grandmother.
If The 1812 marriage to Mary Pegg is correct I wonder why the first child isn't until 1820

Some trees on Ancestry have mother's name as  Mary Ellen Watermann  no sources
Others have Mary Ann Glazbrook but that is a mistranscription from 1851 census she seems to be his neighbour
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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 21 November 17 16:03 GMT (UK) »
I'm looking at criminal records ..of  James Yates to see if I could find a likely candidate
...i.ve found one in 1816 for larceny ....in the acquittal column it says "no bills"

It's at Lancashire courts and no information about age or origin of the criminals ..
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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 21 November 17 17:44 GMT (UK) »
Surprise .
There is a Mary Yates born to a James and Mary Yeates ..in june1812

And a liverpool marriage for Mary Yates to Richard golden Glazebrook various spellings

Then a Mary Glazebrook age 40 in 1851  b St. Oswald's  living in Grange lane Birkenhead
Married to Richard Glazebrook bookmaker .



he must be a brother to the gentleman John Glazbrook +( wife Mary Ann )
 neighbours to the Yates family' in 1851
 
The Birkenhead address links with sister Margaret

But still no sign of James and Mary after 1851

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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 21 November 17 20:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi, a possibility that James was dead by 1861.
I found a Mary Yates, age 70, b. Chester, widow, as a visitor in 1861 at Trallwng Ollen & Tyddan Prydd, Montgomeryshire, Wales. Head of household was Robert Baker, his wife was Ellen age 29 b. Chester.
There is a possible marriage in Liverpool in 1853 Dec Qtr of Robert Baker to Ellen Yates, ref. 8b 418 on FreeBMD.
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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 21 November 17 20:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi again,
A James Yates died in Liverpool in 1858, age 68. GRO gives Jun Qtr ref 8b 104.
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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 21 November 17 23:29 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Ray that all makes sense
 I.ll check up on those possibilities
They all have such common names

Ive also found a possible birth for james yates in 1870 to Lucy Yates
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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 00:18 GMT (UK) »
Have you got these other children?

Elizabeth Yates.  baptised     14 Mar 1814, St Oswald, Chester.   father James,  mother Mary.

Maria Yates.  baptised   31 Oct 1817, St Oswald, Chester.   father James,  mother Mary.

I'm thinking that Maria maybe Mariah Smith married to John on the 1841 but I can't find a marriage yet.

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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 00:54 GMT (UK) »
Solid rock thanks no I hadn't come across those girls ..as.they weren't in the 1841 census

Rays find in Wales looks very hopeful with  Baker children named after James and Mary

I wonder how   Ellen YATES met a  Robert BAKERcanal operator from Wales !

there is a visitor from Chester on the Wales  1871 census aged 18
 Martha ADAMS
 She could be a neice of Ellen so a clue to another sisters marriage


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Re: James Yates master mariner 1851 Chester
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 01:07 GMT (UK) »
My great grandmother spelt her name Mariah
She was the grand daughter of Mary
Daughter of Margaret Yates and George Smith
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