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Re: Are any children registered?
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 23 November 17 01:08 GMT (UK) »
So WHAT HAS HAPPENED?

Has Elizabeth Luke married twice? What happened to Edmund Hatherley?

Early days, but it looks as though Edmund Hatherleigh/Hatherly and Thomas Edmunds/Edmonds may be one and the same, the family alternating between the surnames for reasons unknown.  If that is right, it also looks as though there were two ceremonies of marriage between the couple, with the bridegroom using different names in each - again for mysterious reasons.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #19 on: Thursday 23 November 17 01:31 GMT (UK) »
Then for Margaret (2 in 1891) who becomes Mary (12 in 1901):

Birth reg, Sep qtr 1888 Plymouth: Margaret Maud Mary HATHERLY mmn Luke.

Baptism, Christ Church, Plymouth, 12 July 1888

Margaret Maud Mary HATHERLY, born 25 June 1888

Parents: Edmund (labourer) and Elizabeth, of 31 Morley Place.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #20 on: Thursday 23 November 17 01:36 GMT (UK) »
Oddly, Florence in 1901 seems to morph into Thomas 10 yrs later.

Birth reg, Mar qtr 1893 Plymouth: Thomas Luke HATHERLY, mmn Luke.

Baptism, Christ Church, Plymouth, 18 Dec 1892

Thomas Hatherley HATHERLEY [sic], born 25 Nov 1892.

Parents: Edmund (dockyard labourer) and Elizabeth, of 31 Morley Place.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #21 on: Thursday 23 November 17 01:41 GMT (UK) »
I don't think Florence exists - I think she's an erroneous entry for what should be Thomas in 1901 (and the age was originally entered in the male column, and amended).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Are any children registered?
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 23 November 17 05:04 GMT (UK) »
What a fascinating case ..well done super sleuths ..I look forward to hearing theories of why they changed names ....saw an example of this to do with Irishman escaping persecution after being in English army .

Another case was to do with half the children being stepchildren and depending who filled form in all given father's +( step father) name or half given their original  birth name.
Roberts,Fellman.Macdermid MCDERMID McDiarmid Gardner Jones ,Bloch,Irvine,Hallis Stevenson ,McKay

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« Reply #23 on: Thursday 23 November 17 08:54 GMT (UK) »
St Andrew, Plymouth
1877 Jul 16
Thomas EDMUNDS, bachelor, 23, Mariner, 33 Richmond St, father John EDMUNDS Shoemaker
Elizabeth LUKE, spinster, 21, -, 40 Stillman St, father Thomas Luke, Shoemaker
married after banns
He signed she made her mark, in presence of Mary Hocken, Louisa Jane Sargent

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CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex

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« Reply #24 on: Thursday 23 November 17 09:12 GMT (UK) »
On 12 Mar 1871 Edmund joined the Royal Navy. Born 12 Mar 1853 St Heliers Jersey.

Wonder if he jumped ship.

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CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex

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« Reply #25 on: Thursday 23 November 17 09:24 GMT (UK) »
John HATHERLY married Rachel NASH at Chard, Somerset on 5 July 1830.

They were in Chard in 1851. Two youngest were William and Thomas who were with Edmund etc in 1861.

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CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex

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Re: Are any children registered?
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 23 November 17 12:18 GMT (UK) »
This has been an astonishing case. There have been countless times when I have sought advice and when I should have delved closer. However I'm glad in a way that this was a bit different. Thank you all so much.

However, I have Thomas born c. 1854 as being born in Guernsey with parents Thomas and Mary (1861 census) not "John" (as per the marriage 1877)

There is a marriage between Thomas Carr Edmunds and Mary Ann Picken 1849 Plymouth.