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Offline jackiedillimore

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Occupation Gardener in 1850
« on: Thursday 23 November 17 14:47 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to establish exactly what the occupation of Gardener employing 3 men means?? I know he’s responsible for the 3 men but what is likely to be his job?? Or is this another way of saying farm worker? If he wAs working on an Estate could he be a Gardener in charge of fruit/ veg / flowers?
I have tried googling it but to no avail?
Any help would be very much appreciated
Jackie
DILLIMORE / DELAMORE/ or any of the 22 Variants ( Anywhere )
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Re: Occupation Gardener in 1850
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 November 17 15:06 GMT (UK) »
I've found various ancestors claiming gardener as occupation on censuses around then. In one case, as he lived in the lodge of a large house, it was fairly easy, he was the Head Gardener of the estate,  and had others under him. Another seems later to have been what we might now call a market gardener. Another went from describing himself as an "Ag Lab" to a gardener from one census to the next - and the next one he was a grocer!!
Try looking backwards and forwards in the censuses, may help a bit, if the address doesn't help as it helped me.
Threlfall (Southport), Isherwood (lancs & Canada), Newbould + Topliss(Derby), Keating & Cummins (Ireland + lancs), Fisher, Strong& Casson (all Cumberland) & Downie & Bowie, Linlithgow area Scotland . Also interested in Leigh& Burrows,(Lancashire) Griffiths (Shropshire & lancs), Leaver (Lancs/Yorks) & Anderson(Cumberland and very elusive)

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Re: Occupation Gardener in 1850
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 23 November 17 15:13 GMT (UK) »
I would hazard a guess that your man worked at a Lodge or Estate, and that he has in charge of those gardeners who maintained the grounds surrounding the "house". 

I, too, have a Gardener residing in Norfolk.

One of the Directories (1856) stated that he was "Gardener and Steward" at Marham Lodge.  1841 he was a Gardener in Sussex, then 1851 Gardener in North Elmham, and 1861 until his death he was a Nurseryman and Seedsman in North Elmham.

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Re: Occupation Gardener in 1850
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 November 17 15:13 GMT (UK) »
I have been recently researching a family where the father was listed as a gardener in one census and in the subsequently as a market gardener/nurseyman, 

I would have thought that if your relative worked for a estate that he would not have described as having employees as they would all have been employed by the landowner - But I could well be wrong  :-\

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Re: Occupation Gardener in 1850
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 November 17 15:43 GMT (UK) »
The one of mine had three gardeners lodging with him, all younger, and presumably working on the same estate. All must've been employed by the person who owned the estate?
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Re: Occupation Gardener in 1850
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 November 17 15:57 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all, your input is very much appreciated, these ancestors didn't make it easy for us trying to find information on them.
regards
Jackie
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THEARLE ( Marylebone / London )
BODDY ( Buckinghamshire / Middlesex / Berkshire/ Oxfordshire )
BARBER ( Norwich / Norfolk )
FEARNLEY ( Norfolk )
GREENGRASS ( Norfolk )
HORNIGOLD / HORNAGOLD ( Norfolk )
ING  ( Buckinghamshire / Middlesex )
GRIFFIN ( Bristol  / Shoreditch / Bethnal Green )
GREGORY ( Gloucestershire / Warwickshire / Middlesex )
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Re: Occupation Gardener in 1850
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 23 November 17 17:16 GMT (UK) »
Very true.
Later there might be trade directory entries for him... don't know about 1850s.
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Re: Occupation Gardener in 1850
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 23 November 17 17:33 GMT (UK) »
I'm not absolutely sure, now, how I located the entry for my gardener - Joseph Archbell:

Francis White's History, Gazeteer and Directory of Norfolk - 1854.

Added:  found it  :D   http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/cdm/search/collection/p16445coll4/searchterm/Norfolk/field/place/mode/exact/conn/and/order/nosort



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Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
Archbell - anywhere, any date
Kendall - WRY
Milner - WRY
Appleyard - WRY