felicia hyde 1813 st martins

[Racheal Kibble]

Hi there.
I'm looking for help in finding a baptism for a Felicia Hyde born around 1813.

if my circumstantial evidence is correct she should be the daughter of Thomas Hyde and Catharine. (nee Hanks)

Felicia has an illegitimate daughter, Maria Perkin Hyde, baptised 27 June 1837 at St Philip, B'ham.

Felicia is Buried 25 January 1838. at St James, Aston. abode Lawley Street. aged 25.

Circumstantial parents Thomas and Catherine marry in 1794, and children follow
James, bap 1795. at St martin
Elizabeth. 1800. st martin (age 2)
Joseph 1800. st martin.
Thomas. 1805. st martin
John. 1807. St martin.

After Felicia's burial in 1838 there are three Felicia's born to the remaining Hyde children, all in and around the same area of Birmingham.

This Felicia's baptism would hold the key to the whole family.
thanks for reading
racheal

[CaroleW]

Do you have a copy of her death cert showing who reported her death - wondered if it was a family member

[amondg]

Image on ancestry- not an illegitimate daughter.

Maria Perkin Hyde daughter of George Perkin Hyde and Felicia, born 25 March 1837 bap 27 June 1837
at St Phillips Birmingham, address Lawley Street, father was a spectacle maker.

 

[Racheal Kibble]

HI CaroleW.
No I don't have a copy of her death cert yet, only her burial, which puts her in the same area as the other Hyde children.
I'm Guessing that the informant would be either her mother or her PARTNER George Perkin.

Amondg.
Sorry, I should have said that a father was named for Maria Perkin Hyde. But that there is no marriage for Felicia Hyde and George Perkin.

I have an 1841 census for Maria Perkin.

1841 census
Vauxhall Road, Aston.
George Nerkin 20. 1821. Independent. not born in county
Maria Nerkin. 4. 1837
Elizabeth Hyde. 70. 1771. independent. not born in county. (I believe this is Catharine Hyde nee Hanks)

[trish1120]

Quote;
Elizabeth Hyde. 70. 1771. independent. not born in county. (I believe this is Catharine Hyde nee Hanks)

Could be as I am sure you have the 1851 Census.

Catherine Hyde, 81
Elizabeth Johnson, 53
Henry Johnson, 31
John Johnson, 26
Cordelia Johnson, 29
Maria Perkins, 14, Granddaughter***
Jame Make Peace, 27
Edmund Peace, 21

I cant see anything on-line for Felicias Baptism though.

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
The 1861 census gives Catherine's birthplace as Staffordshire and there is a baptism at Tamworth St Editha 28 July 1771 d of Thomas and Mary Hanks which would fit.

Barr St West
John Johnson 44 retail brewer  St Helens Lanc
Maria 34 Warwickshire
John 8 Scholar
Catherine 9months   ( reg as Catherine Maria Sep 1860 mother Perkin)
Elizabeth mother widow 63    Birmingham
Catherine Hide widow grandmother 91 Staffordshire

Catherine died Aston Mar 1865 age 95 years.
Thomas Sep 1838 Aston age 68 years  (burial Aston St James 21.8.1838 from Livery ST)

Unfortunately he didn't seem to have left a Will unlike his dad also Thomas.

Ciderinker

[Racheal Kibble]

hi yes, I have both those censuses.

John Johnson and Maria from the 1861 census are cousins I believe.
Maria Felicia Perkin marries John Johnson in 1859 (from memory)
obviously they were living together in the 1851 census with Catharine as head of house.

There is always that one piece of the puzzle that is missing!

[Racheal Kibble]

hi ciderdrinker.

yes ive found the burial for Thomas Hyde in 1838. (abode Lawley Street not Livery street)

You mention Thomas's father also being Thomas, (died 1815) whose Will only mentions one grandson, James Newman.

I have arrived at a different conclusion, That Thomas (1770-1838) parents were an Edward and Elizabeth Hyde/Hide. Both born around 1744. Marriage 1769 at St Martins, By Licence.

I have based this conclusion on the fact that they also had a daughter named Felicia.
Phelitia Hide. bap 28 December 1770 @ St Peter and Paul.

This Felicia Marries John Houghton in 1791, also by licence.
They have 2 children,
Felicia Houghton    bap 2 june 1796 (Presbyterian.)
Vaughton Houghton.    bap 15 jan 1805. (Presbyterian)

The Vaughton name seems also to carry on in this family.

Which do you think is more likely?

[BumbleB]

I may be totally wrong here, but I wonder whether you have misread/misunderstood Maria Perkin Hyde's baptism entry 

As I read it:  Maria Perkin Hyde is the daughter of George Perkin Hyde and Felicia his wife (unknown surname).

Perkin being the middle name for both Maria and her father, George.  And the surname for the family being Hyde.