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John and Thomas Smith from Arklow to NZ.
« on: Monday 27 November 17 12:03 GMT (UK) »
For as long as i have been researching my family i have had nothing on two brothers to my GG grandmother an Elizabeth Smith born Scratenagh , Arklow, Co  Wicklow Ireland. DNA results has led me to find the descendant of one which has led to possibly finding more on the other.
The two brothers were Thomas Webster Smith born 16 Jan 1848 at Scratenagh to George and Margaret Smith nee Webster and John Smith born we though around 1846 but it would seem now early 1830's at same place to same parents.

Thomas it would seem from an on line tree on Ancestry , Thomas went on to marry an Eliza Jane York , 14 Mar 1878 at Waitahuna  and went on to have a family of 5. I am waiting to see can i get a reply from owner of tree to verify Thomas and have ordered a marriage to help prove who he is.

It is John Smith although i have found a descendant is vague. From his descendant it was though he had gone straight to NZ where he married an Elizabeth Kinnison but since we have started researching we have found the marriage of John and Elizabeth 17 Feb 1862 in Melbourne Australia.Elizabeth was Scottish born circa 1830 to a John Kinnison and Mary Ireland.

Sometime between 1862 and 1874 John and Elizabeth moved on to NZ where in 1874 a daughter Susan was born at Blue Spur. There was at least one more child known of a Mary. Susan went on to marry a Lionel Edwin Ellison and the family comes forward to their descendant i have found, a grandson.

The only other date i have at present is when Susan died. 25 Sept 1922 in Stirling, Otago NZ.

Even if no more is to be found what i have found may help someone else connect.

Many thanks
John
Webster , Parker and Smith in Wicklow. Power , Lewis and Livingstone in Carlow and Wexford. Forde in Monaghan . Orr in Cavan.

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Re: John and Thomas Smith from Arklow to NZ.
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 November 17 18:42 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

"I am waiting to see can i get a reply from owner of tree to verify Thomas and have ordered a marriage to help prove who he is."

The marriage:

1878/759   Eliza Jane   York    Thomas Webster   Smith

Unfortunately the data collected at this time may not provide the information you are are seeking:

From 1854 Marriage Act 1854 (Dated 1 January 1855)
Bride and Groom
   When and where married
   Name and Surname
   Age
   Rank or profession
   Condition
   Name of officiating minister (or Registrar)
   When registered
Signatures
   Signatures of bride and groom
   Signatures of the witnesses
   Signature of officiating minister (or registrar)

Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: John and Thomas Smith from Arklow to NZ.
« Reply #2 on: Monday 27 November 17 18:59 GMT (UK) »
Hello John

I've been able to find a very detailed Obituary for the John SMITH (husband of Elizabeth nee KINNISON) you mention.  (Traced back through the information you provided about his daughter Susan.)   ;)     So here it is for your perusal.     

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TT19180406.2.12

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Re: John and Thomas Smith from Arklow to NZ.
« Reply #3 on: Monday 27 November 17 19:06 GMT (UK) »
... and now that you've read that, you'll have noticed it described John SMITH as "a North of Ireland man"  ???

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Re: John and Thomas Smith from Arklow to NZ.
« Reply #4 on: Monday 27 November 17 19:20 GMT (UK) »
Hello again John

Here is the Probate file containing the Will of the aforementioned John SMITH.
[I haven't as yet read it in its entirety - will do so shortly. ]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9LD-Z4Y5?i=213&cc=1865481

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Re: John and Thomas Smith from Arklow to NZ.
« Reply #5 on: Monday 27 November 17 19:34 GMT (UK) »

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9LD-Z4Y5?i=213&cc=1865481

Here you go John ... confirmation at Image #  231 ... that John SMITH was born at >

                              S ..... ?   Arklow, CO. WICKLOW       ;)

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Re: John and Thomas Smith from Arklow to NZ.
« Reply #6 on: Monday 27 November 17 19:43 GMT (UK) »
Don't you love wartime probates?
Farrell  - Ayrshire
Cairns - Ayrshire
McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
Anthony - Tipperary, Southland New Zealand
Bath - Cornwall, Tasmania, Southland
Brungot - Alesund, Norway; Southland
Bonthron - Fifeshire, Southland

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Re: John and Thomas Smith from Arklow to NZ.
« Reply #7 on: Monday 27 November 17 19:58 GMT (UK) »
Don't you love wartime probates?

... have to say "nah" after battling through all that legalese (- it really does my head in, these days).  ;D  ;D

But the file is chock-full of useful information -- particularly in terms of family.   :)

Happy reading to you John (powerwicklow).  ;D

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Re: John and Thomas Smith from Arklow to NZ.
« Reply #8 on: Monday 27 November 17 20:03 GMT (UK) »
Death notice for Elizabeth SMITH (w/o John SMITH) :

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TT18880519.2.4

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