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Re: Charlotte O'Bryan ( married George Ross ) can you help solve this mystery?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 28 November 17 14:18 GMT (UK) »
That’s interesting about the accused in the crime.
1886 Gloucester prison records show this information:

William Harrison 65 yrs b Leeds
Catherine Harrison 44 yrs b Penmaenmawr
Christiana Corbett 34 yrs b Redesdale
John Corbett 32 yrs b Chiswick
George Ross the elder 40yrs b Wiltshire
Charlotte Ross 39 yrs b Cork
George Ross the younger 13 yrs b Derby

1861 shows Christina Ross with Margaret Ross (children of William and Christina)  both born Kendal at school in Greenwich.

I am just offering  this for the moment and can’t match them as couples apart from the George and Charlotte.

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Re: Charlotte O'Bryan ( married George Ross ) can you help solve this mystery?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 00:22 GMT (UK) »
thank you all so much for your help- yes it was only the census that told me Georges dad was an engineer.
I know George died on 21st dec 1892 at the Bromsgrove workhouse - cause stated of renal dropsy.
Charlotte later went on to marry a George Wooding in 1914 at Upton upon severn.
I have attached a photo of their child Williams birth certificate ( born Warwick workhouse - incidently a few streets away from where I live- he is my great grandfather - this states the O'Bryan bit.




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Re: Charlotte O'Bryan ( married George Ross ) can you help solve this mystery?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 02:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi Julie,  I don't know what the others who are helping with your query think but I doubt that William the engineer in 1871 (son of an engineer) is 'your' William, I'm inclined to think they are two different Williams.


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Re: Charlotte O'Bryan ( married George Ross ) can you help solve this mystery?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 02:26 GMT (UK) »
That’s interesting about the accused in the crime.
1886 Gloucester prison records show this information:

William Harrison 65 yrs b Leeds
Catherine Harrison 44 yrs b Penmaenmawr
Christiana Corbett 34 yrs b Redesdale
John Corbett 32 yrs b Chiswick
George Ross the elder 40yrs b Wiltshire
Charlotte Ross 39 yrs b Cork
George Ross the younger 13 yrs b Derby

1861 shows Christina Ross with Margaret Ross (children of William and Christina)  both born Kendal at school in Greenwich.

I am just offering  this for the moment and can’t match them as couples apart from the George and Charlotte.

Searching on the GRO, there is a George ROSS birth registered Sep qtr 1873 at Derby (7b/446) with mother's maiden name HARRISON

Also George RUSS Mar qtr Derby (7b/470) with no mmn.

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Re: Charlotte O'Bryan ( married George Ross ) can you help solve this mystery?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 08:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi maddys52, I saw those too but had no time to look further.

If I recall, I couldn’t see the earlier births in Derby with a mother O’Bryan and was wondering if they had a different mother.

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Re: Charlotte O'Bryan ( married George Ross ) can you help solve this mystery?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 08:37 GMT (UK) »
Going back to Charlotte - who did she give as her father on her second marriage?
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Re: Charlotte O'Bryan ( married George Ross ) can you help solve this mystery?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 08:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi maddys52, I saw those too but had no time to look further.

If I recall, I couldn’t see the earlier births in Derby with a mother O’Bryan and was wondering if they had a different mother.

Yes, after I posted I had a look at the other children on the 1881 census - Albert (5) and Alice (2), but couldn't see any birth registrations that looked right, so thought maybe the HARRISON mmn was just a coincidence (with the other's who were convicted of window breaking etc - very interesting read in the papers of the day, though doesn't give any further info as to family sadly). Had to go out, but might have a closer look now.  ;)

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Re: Charlotte O'Bryan ( married George Ross ) can you help solve this mystery?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 08:49 GMT (UK) »
We can discount the Ross/Harrison births
John Ross married Aves Harrison 1872 Derby and they are in 1881 with the children. She is Avis there.
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Re: Charlotte O'Bryan ( married George Ross ) can you help solve this mystery?
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 09:20 GMT (UK) »
Ah, that's good to discount then.

Btw, is this Charlotte in 1901 at Malvern Link, Worcestershire?

Charlotte Ross    Lodger    50    Cork, Ireland  (hawker)
Thomas Perry    Lodger    29    Dundee, Scotland  (hawker)

(from familysearch - I don't have access to the original image at the moment)