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Is this the same woman - Agnes Jeffrey (1819-1873)?
« on: Tuesday 28 November 17 23:53 GMT (UK) »
These photos have been passed down through the generations, and have been generally considered to be those of Agnes (Moscrip) Jeffrey, my g-g-grandmother. She lived in Upper Canada her whole life, most of it in Cobourg. The 4th photo came into my possession recently. I think it is also Agnes, but I am getting conflicting information from the people I received the photo from. Would love to get a consensus here. Is this the same woman?[img]

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Re: Is this the same woman - Agnes Jeffrey (1819-1873)?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 10:44 GMT (UK) »
Using the 2nd and 4th pics... closer than peas in a pod.
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Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
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Re: Is this the same woman - Agnes Jeffrey (1819-1873)?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 11:20 GMT (UK) »
My guess would be the 1st and the 3rd are the same and the 2nd and the 4th are the same...possibly Mother and Daughter. I also suspect that the third photo is a Post Mortem photo.
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Re: Is this the same woman - Agnes Jeffrey (1819-1873)?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 12:14 GMT (UK) »
1st. photo is an 1850's Ambrotype & because of the process used they come out in reverse as you can see from her wedding ring which looks on the wrong hand.
2nd. 1860's CdeV.
3rd. Another Ambrotype & I would suggest later than the 1st. & could be up to early 1860's.
I also agree with Carol that it looks like a pm.
4th. Another 1860's CdeV.
In chronological order I would suggest 1,3,2 & 4.
For my money all the same lady over possibly a 10 year period.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Is this the same woman - Agnes Jeffrey (1819-1873)?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 17:38 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, Jim1,
For your info, Photo #1 is a daguerreotype (very reflective like a mirror). Would the daguerreotype also be reversed? And photo #3 is an ambrotype (no reflection like the 1st). And re: #3 being a PM - the baby sure looks 'chubby' and healthy to me. And the mother's clothing doesn't look like typical mourning clothes. How sure are you that it is a PM?

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Re: Is this the same woman - Agnes Jeffrey (1819-1873)?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 17:58 GMT (UK) »
As a collector and restorer of photos...in my experience It's unusual for a baby to be photographed sleeping and wearing black.
Carol
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Re: Is this the same woman - Agnes Jeffrey (1819-1873)?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 19:00 GMT (UK) »
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As a collector and restorer of photos...in my experience It's unusual for a baby to be photographed sleeping and wearing black.
Carol
Agree.
Dags were a similar process but on copper rather than glass as ambro's were so also in reverse.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Is this the same woman - Agnes Jeffrey (1819-1873)?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 19:28 GMT (UK) »
The pm aspect of this photo was fully discussed on this thread back in May:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=771668.0
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
Outlaws: MCGREGOR (1883) & ass. clans, Glasgow, Glenquaich, Glenalmond and Glengyle.

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Re: Is this the same woman - Agnes Jeffrey (1819-1873)?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 20:10 GMT (UK) »
I thought I'd seen these before.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
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