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Re: Susanna Maria Barrett
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 06 January 18 11:24 GMT (UK) »
I’m so pleased you sent for the marriage certificate, so could confirm this family.

The birth registrations for the children born 1844 onwards, show the mother’s maiden name as Bowell.

There’s a marriage Anne Bowell to William Barrett 3/09/1834 in Oxford.  I can’t see an image for this.

I wonder if the witness, George Rowell, should be Bowell.  It’s a pity the GRO don’t send copies of the original certificates, rather than their own (often incorrect) transcriptions.

ADDED  Ancestry have the image for the 1834 marriage

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Re: Susanna Maria Barrett
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 18 January 18 03:02 GMT (UK) »
I spent the morning on Ancestry at the library yesterday and managed to find Susannah's birth - baptised 20 Mar 1842 at Wappingham Nothamptonshire - father William Mother Anne. Also found census records by working through Frances Eleanor and I think I now have all the family.
Thanks to help above I have ascertained that William was born 6 Jan 1811 bapt 16 Jan in Cumnor Berkshire; father Joseph and mother Susannah. i can now work on that. In 1881 William was living in Forest Hill Village with Anne and a grand- daughter Emily Barrett 16
My Susannah Maria died in NZ in 1901
Now need to check the Rowell connection. I'm sure it is Rowell - I can't see how the Vicar could mis -hear Rowell/Bowell

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Re: Susanna Maria Barrett
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 04 February 18 07:51 GMT (UK) »
Can you please help with a related question to Susannah Barrett?
In the 1861 census she is with James and Jane Wortley in Mortlake Surrey with a large family and lots of servants/tutor/governess.Jane was the daughter of Lord Wenlock so does she have a title like Lady or the Honourable... I've checked out both families and can't find a title for her. James was a Privy Counsellor and Queen's Counsel but wasn't a peer as far as i can tell. Help please!

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Re: Susanna Maria Barrett
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 04 February 18 11:19 GMT (UK) »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Stuart-Wortley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stuart-Wortley_(Conservative_politician)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Thompson,_1st_Baron_Wenlock

So she was specifically the daughter of a Baron, and therefore may have had the courtesy title "The Honorable".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtesy_titles_in_the_United_Kingdom

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/65053b6f-2be8-4819-a835-64ada90a4bbf
 - example here, described as letters from James to "Lord and Lady Wenlock, parents of the Hon. Jane Lawley, whom he was to marry in 1846"

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lh2/  - and this has their marriage reported with him as "The Right Hon." and her as "The Hon."

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4594244/4594246/3/
 - at death, reported as "The Hon. Mrs. Stuart Wortley", aka "Aunt Jane" ;)
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Re: Susanna Maria Barrett
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 06 February 18 06:43 GMT (UK) »
 :)Thank you very much jorose. Sometimes just knowing where to look... Google didn't have Jane listed as the Honourable and no titles were on the census so i wasn't sure. I would presume that Susanna as the school room maid, would have called her Ma'am or My lady...??? That's if she ever saw her! Shades of Upstairs downstairs...
Thanks again
Carol

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Re: Susanna Maria Barrett
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 21 March 19 20:51 GMT (UK) »
1861 in Lancs we have;
William Barratt 45 Toll Collector
Ann Barratt 40
Susannah Barratt 15
John Edward Barratt 9


Strangely Susannah is not at Home in 1851 Census in Derbyshire;
William Barratt   32 Toll Collector
Ann Barratt   27
John A Barratt   7 mths

Possible Birth Reg;
BARRATT, JOHN  EDWARD, Mothers mn TURNER***
GRO Reference: 1850  D Quarter in CHAPEL EN LE FRITH  Volume 19  Page 450


OK, Susannah Mary is NOT yours as Trees have stated.

She married John BARKER 1873 Lancashire (FreeBMD) and 1881 her Brother is with her and Family.
John Barker, 32
Susanah M. Barker, 33, Wife, born Chapel Le Frith, Derbyshire
Edith G. G. Barker, 5
John E. Barratt, 30, Brother in Law, born Chapel Le Frith, Derbyshire
Annetta Barker

So to summarise as Solidrock/ Jo have said the 1875 M/C is a must to buy to establish her Fathers name/occp.

Also as I am from NZ I know how good Death Certs can be for info on Parents etc.


Trish :)            I note your interest in my family barratt chapel en le frith

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Re: Susanna Maria Barrett
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 23 March 19 10:06 GMT (UK) »
Your welcome I was just trying to help :)
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Re: Susanna Maria Barrett
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 24 August 21 03:13 BST (UK) »
This information is correct: I was doing research for my best friend. 
Susannah is buried in the Kumara cemetery on the West Coast of NZ where they were living. There are references to the funeral on Papers' Past.
Kiwi Carol

 
Tracing the kids:

William Henry Clark b. 1876 Eton, schoolmaster, d. 1959
Winifred Hilda Clark b. 1879 Eton m. James Bennie 1905 in NZ d. 1963
Percy Newton Clark b. 1882 NZ died WWI  (born Waitara according to his Military records)
Dorothy Minnie Clark b. 1885 NZ m. Frederick Rands 1912 in NZ d. 1976
her husband died in 1919: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19190221.2.81?query=%22Frederick%20Rand%22
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZFL19190313.2.31.4?query=%22Dorothy%20Rands%22

The family were strongly linked to the Methodist church and James Richard Clark became a Methodist preacher:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19280802.2.13?query=%22James%20Richard%20CLark%22

The family were in Kumara when Susan died:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TC19011210.2.22?query=%22J%20R%20Clark%22
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WCT19011210.2.21?query=%22J%20R%20Clark%22
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WCT19011217.2.20?query=%22J%20R%20Clark%22

Unfortunately nothing about her family in England in this, nor any mention of how the family got to NZ... must have been between 1879 (Winifred's birth) and 1882 (Percy's birth)...