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Where is John Gabriel in 1861.
« on: Sunday 03 December 17 16:51 GMT (UK) »
I've just noticed the death of a John Gabriel in 1862 in the Wrexham District of Denbighshire.He is almost certainly the John Gabriel whose birth is given in the Oswestry District of Shropshire in 1855.However he is not with his father John who is living with his second wife Mary(Jones) in St Martins Shropshire in1861.John having married the Mary Jones in Llangollen Denbighshire in 1857.Sadly it looks like his first wife Mary Roberts died shortly after giving birth to John Junior.

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Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: Where is John Gabriel in 1861.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 03 December 17 17:24 GMT (UK) »
Have you checked to see if he is with other family members ie grandparents?

Or the other thing would be to get his death certificate as that may give an address.
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Re: Where is John Gabriel in 1861.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 03 December 17 17:42 GMT (UK) »
Just to say that he might be in the missing folio that my 2xstep great grandmother and my great grandfather and his brother are in - Cefn area.

Will see if I can find a burial.


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Re: Where is John Gabriel in 1861.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 03 December 17 17:48 GMT (UK) »
Would the John,d 1862 be about 6 years and 10 mths on 16 May 1862?

Burial-  Ruabon. Abode - Cefn Mawr.


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Re: Where is John Gabriel in 1861.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 03 December 17 18:10 GMT (UK) »
It could be that his mother died in childbirth, if I have the correct family.

There is a burial for a Mary Anne Gabriel in Pontfadog on 27 July 1855, aged 35 (i.e. John aged 6 10/12 in May 1862, so born circa July 1855) . Abode is given as Preesgwyn* which is in the Weston Rhyn/St Martins area. Registered Oswestry 3Q 1855, 6a, 391.

* I've walked around that area so many times in my youth  :)


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Added - I see John's birth was 2Q 1855, so could be late June - no baptism found.
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Re: Where is John Gabriel in 1861.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 03 December 17 18:18 GMT (UK) »
It could be that his mother died in childbirth, if I have the correct family.

There is a burial for a Mary Anne Gabriel in Pontfadog on 27 July 1855, aged 35 (i.e. John aged 6 10/12 in May 1862, so born circa July 1855) . Abode is given as Preesgwyn* which is in the Weston Rhyn/St Martins area. Registered Oswestry 3Q 1855, 6a, 391.

* I've walked around that area so many times in my youth  :)


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I strongly suspected Mary Ann died in Childbirth.Thanks for finding the burial in Pontfadog.As you say he may be in the missing area?

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: Where is John Gabriel in 1861.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 03 December 17 18:20 GMT (UK) »
Would the John,d 1862 be about 6 years and 10 mths on 16 May 1862?

Burial-  Ruabon. Abode - Cefn Mawr.


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Yes they must have moved to the Cefn Mawr area in 1861/1862.

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
Census Information Is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk