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Coles - Burton marriage 1897
« on: Wednesday 06 December 17 04:23 GMT (UK) »
Trying to find parents of Charles Coles married Amy Elizabeth Burton 11th July 1897 at Christ Church - Penge Surrey.  Groom's Father was James Coles a Farmer.  Bride's Father Charles Burton  deceased.
Bride and Grooms residence at time of marriage 49 Hawthorne Grove for both as shown on certificate.  Rectors name Samuel Hutchinson.  Witness' James Sayers and John Dobson.

Can sks help me with parents names of the Groom, Charles.
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Re: Coles - Burton marriage 1897
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 06 December 17 06:25 GMT (UK) »
Working backwards the last census Charles was born Kent,

1901 census Charles Goles s/b Coles born Hilldenborough Kent age 26 with daughter Mabel Irene age 4 at 41 Crampton? Road Penge Kent 
1901 Amy Cales s/b Coles  age 24 is a patient at Guys Hospital St Saviour Southwark

1891 census Charles Cole age 16 is a boarder with Joseph Hudson and family  both are ag lab.

1892 Records of Service Chelsea Pensioners, Charles Cole born Hilldenborough Kent age 18, regimental number 124, 3rd Hussars.
On fold 3 ancestry, I only have world wide so I cannot see image, perhaps someone with access can tell us if it's the same person if it has person to notify he may have given more information.

There is a birth registered Tunbridge Wells 1875 for a Charles Cole mothers maiden name Collins, that could be your man.

ADDED also one in Malling 1875 as Charles Alfred Cole mmn Martin

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Re: Coles - Burton marriage 1897
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 06 December 17 06:48 GMT (UK) »
I don't have access to Fold 3, but it appears to have the same service record as FindMyPast

This shows that Charles Cole was deemed unfit to be a soldier.  Unfortunately, it doesn't include the next of kin.

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Re: Coles - Burton marriage 1897
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 06 December 17 07:13 GMT (UK) »
clancam37,
Which censuses have you found them in before marriage, and when and where do you think they died for confirmation of their birth years?

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Re: Coles - Burton marriage 1897
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 06 December 17 07:21 GMT (UK) »
Think Amy's father was Henry Burton (with her Mother as Amy in 1881 census)  but her step-father was Charles Wilmshurst as in 1891 census.

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Or were you aware of this as just realised you only asked for parents of groom, even though you quoted incorrect information (I believe) for Amy?

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Re: Coles - Burton marriage 1897
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 December 17 10:55 GMT (UK) »
Most of the Cole/s born c 1875 +/- 5 years  Hildenborough on 1891/1901//1911 Census seem to be part of this Family;

1881 Census
Tonbrudge, Kent
Amoss Cole, 45, Head, Mar, born Withiham, Sussex
Jane Cole, 35, Wife, born Leigh
Stephen Cole, 17
Annie Cole, 15
Harriet Cole, 13
William Cole, 11
Thomas Cole, 9
Mary Cole, 7
CHARLES Cole, 6****
Lillie Cole, 3**

1891 in the Workhouse we have;
John Cole, 73, Widr, Farmer retired
Jane Cole, 44, Widow, born Leigh
LILY Cole, 11***
Edith Cole, 7
Josiah Cole, 6

1901 Census Lillie Cole born c 1878 Hildenborough is with her Brother Thomas George Cole age 30 born same place.


FreeBMD has a 1863 Marriage Reg with Amos Cole and Jane Collins on same page.
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Re: Coles - Burton marriage 1897
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 07 December 17 23:01 GMT (UK) »
HI amondg,   Thanks very much for all information you sent.  Really appreciate your help with this.
Many thanks -- have a wonderful Christmas.
Kind regards
clancam37
Working backwards the last census Charles was born Kent,

1901 census Charles Goles s/b Coles born Hilldenborough Kent age 26 with daughter Mabel Irene age 4 at 41 Crampton? Road Penge Kent 
1901 Amy Cales s/b Coles  age 24 is a patient at Guys Hospital St Saviour Southwark

1891 census Charles Cole age 16 is a boarder with Joseph Hudson and family  both are ag lab.

1892 Records of Service Chelsea Pensioners, Charles Cole born Hilldenborough Kent age 18, regimental number 124, 3rd Hussars.
On fold 3 ancestry, I only have world wide so I cannot see image, perhaps someone with access can tell us if it's the same person if it has person to notify he may have given more information.

There is a birth registered Tunbridge Wells 1875 for a Charles Cole mothers maiden name Collins, that could be your man.

ADDED also one in Malling 1875 as Charles Alfred Cole mmn Martin

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Re: Coles - Burton marriage 1897
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 07 December 17 23:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi LilyM,
Thanks for your efforts on my behalf  -- have a wonderful Christmas.
Clancam37
I don't have access to Fold 3, but it appears to have the same service record as FindMyPast

This shows that Charles Cole was deemed unfit to be a soldier.  Unfortunately, it doesn't include the next of kin.

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Coles - Burton Marriage 1897
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 07 December 17 23:10 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks to all who responded to my query re Groom Charles COLES Parents names.
Received many useful replies -- Surrey people are helpful.
Wish you all a very happy Christmas.
Kind regards
clancam37