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Re: Can't locate family on GRO
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 07 December 17 12:43 GMT (UK) »
He may be a Hair Dresser as discussed in this thread  :-\

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Re: Can't locate family on GRO
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 07 December 17 13:17 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Rosie99. I can't tell you how grateful I am for all this.
You must be great in pub quizzes.

We are all trying to work out now why Haszall became Harris. Embarrassment? Harris a more city type name perhaps as they all progressed to London looking for work? On the run from something??

On the wedding BMD I note the spelling has become Hasyell and then Hasqell...entered twice, even he was still trying to get spelling right. Maybe it was just easier!

"Haszall...what a funny name, where's that from then?" No one asks if you say Harris.

Thank you to everyone who posted.

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Re: Can't locate family on GRO
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 07 December 17 13:35 GMT (UK) »
His brother William S seems to have kept the surname.  It is odd that James death record was registered as Haszell when he had been calling himself Harris.  I have yet to find him in 1881.

Think how often you would be needing to spell your surname if it hadn't changed  ;D

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« Reply #21 on: Thursday 07 December 17 13:50 GMT (UK) »
James and Claras second child, born 1901, Cecil James Haszell (Harris) was my grandfather. He left home due to a failed marriage (1929 - Jiggins)  and my dad, Raymond Cecil Harris, born 1930, was put into care etc. Story my dad was told was that he killed himself after he left home. He has a death certificate for him as James Harris, died 1936, employed as a manservant in Plymouth. His mum then remarried in 1937.

Like a good detective story this, my dad got the death certificate when he was in the RAF and was wondering about his dad who he did not know. It always seemed strange why it was James Harris, but I can not find a death for Cecil James Harris or Haszell.

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« Reply #22 on: Thursday 07 December 17 20:36 GMT (UK) »
Just a bit of extra info for you  :)

It would appear that Cecil James Harris served in the Royal Navy -

Cecil James Harris
Birth Date - 14 Jan 1901
Birth Place - Poplar London
First Service Date - 18 Jun 1919
First Ship Served On - Pembroke
Last Service Date - 17 Jun 1924
Last Ship Served On - Pembroke II
Service Number - L12520

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Re: Can't locate family on GRO
« Reply #23 on: Friday 08 December 17 07:25 GMT (UK) »
Story my dad was told was that he killed himself after he left home. He has a death certificate for him as James Harris, died 1936, employed as a manservant in Plymouth.

Does this certificate confirm a suicide  :-\
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« Reply #24 on: Friday 08 December 17 10:59 GMT (UK) »
Yes it does.

Died 4th October 1936, 244 North Road, Plymouth. James Harris.
Male, 36, Manservant.
Did kill himself by inhaling coal gas their being no evidence as to the state of his mind at the time.
Certificate received from W.E.J. Major, Coroner for City of Plymouth Inquest held 8th October 1936.

He was buried in Efford Cemetery, Plymouth Grave No. C.6202

My dads mum then married again in 1937. Seems to add up but......

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« Reply #25 on: Friday 08 December 17 16:52 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for posting the information, It certainly looks as though its the right death certificate  :)
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« Reply #26 on: Friday 08 December 17 20:33 GMT (UK) »
Yes, now I have some more information it certainly fits. My dad, his son is still alive, 87 and still moaning! I have asked him a few times what made him think it was his dad but he said the RAF would not make a mistake like the wrong certificate.

Thanks again for all the help, it really has helped and I really was at the end of my wits. Its still a bit strange, Haszel to Harris but it all fits.

Have a good Xmas.