Help with Spink family from Walsall

[mrsboop]

Thank you for all your comments, i just got my nans wedding certificate which proves she was a Hooper. Then I have just got my nan and grandads wedding certificate. it states dad is Harry Spink and mom Annie spink formely Hooper. it has Harrys occupation as a Hame forger and born in 22 dudley st Walsall on the 18 November 1916. It was her mom who registered her.

so next I'm going to get Harry and Annie Spinks Wedding certificate the last one came in a couple days so i can update in a few days.

I have births on ancestry like i say cant be absolutely sure yet.Harry1888 in walsall and Annie 1893 west bromwich and there marriage is;
Annie Hooper
Date of Registration   1916 - Jul-Aug-Sep[1916]
Registration district   Walsall
Inferred County   Staffordshire
Spouse   Harry Spink
Volume Number   6b
Page number   1171
Hooper, Spink - 6b 1171

i just have to get the certificates to prove its them

i really appreciate the help

[mrsboop]

Hi, I finally have my great grandmothers and grandfathers marriage certificate, this info is as follows,
Harry Spink and Annie Hooper married on 25th september 1916, harry age 32 and Annie aged 27, harry bachelor and Annie spinster, Harry was a Hame forger and they both lived at 22 Dudley st, walsall, Harrys father was also called Harry Spink Deceased at the time of marriage was also a Hame forger, Annies father I think is William Hooper and his job was waggomer/baggomer? they were married in I think its says St Matthews church, in walsall.

This cant be the Harry i was thinking of as he died in the war in July 1916 but there wedding was september so ive got to have the wrong one

[jim1]

I can't see a Harry Spink death pre 1916. There is a Henry dying in Walsall 1891 aged 39. He also lived in Dudley St. His widow & family carried on living in Dudley St. up to 1911 with son Edward at no. 26.
Unfortunately I can't place Harry b. 1884 in this family. Edward was born 1883 Walsall.
No help is it.

[mrsboop]

Thanks for replying Jim,
I have been through the census books and for dudley st this is what i found.

The meeting yard back of dudley st;
number 3 Bk Mr Sprink, 3 males, 2 females

Dudley St
number 26 Mr spink, 1 male, 1 female.

The only other thing i can think of is visiting our local history centre or going to St Matthews church where they were married as I live local. although i dont know what im really looking for.

[jim1]

Dudley St
number 26 Mr spink, 1 male, 1 female.

Edward & sister Maria.

[mrsboop]

ok, new info

according to my mom harry spink who married Annie hooper in 1916 was married before? it has bachelor on the wedding certificate.

my mom said harry was alot older than Annie hooper i cant work out on their wedding cert if harry is 32 or 52.

harry and his first wife definitely had 2 children, girl and boy could have been more. harry and first wife had a son called Joe( this is important).

so i dont know what happened to first wife but then Harry married Annie Hooper my great great grandmother.

Here is the skeleton in the closet and possibly why it was not talked about by my grandmother as she was probably ashamed of her mother. it seems that Annie hooper then went out with Harrys son Joe, who would have been her stepson.

i have been looking and i think we have mentioned this before but the only thing i can find on ancestry for the 1901 census is
harry spink aged 35 Hame forger
Sarah spink aged 33
frank spink aged 18 brass caster
harry spink aged 14 key driller
susan spink aged 10
nellie spink aged 9
JOSEPH SPINK AGED 5
george spink aged 2

they lived at 14 Gortons Yard, Walsall.

The only thing im struggling with is the years
so if it is this harry i am trying to find he would have been born around 1866, so for him to marry Annie in 1916 he would have been 40 not the 32 or 52?

has anyone got any ideas

[jim1]

Gets more curious by the minute doesn't it.
Firstly if Harry Snr. was 35 in 1901 he would have been 50 in 1916 not 40.
Secondly if Sarah was 33 in 1901 she can't be the mother of Harry Jnr. or Frank.
GRO says Green is the mmn for all of the children.
Henry Spink married Sarah Green 1880 Walsall.
In 1891 Harry Snr. is calling himself James aged 30 & Sarah is 25. Still in Gorton's Yard.
In 1881 living in Dudley St. Calling himself Henry aged 20. Sarah is 18.
Brother Thomas aged 14 is living with them.
In 1871 Henry is 12. his father is George Spink so not the Harry/Henry that married Annie Hooper.
As Harry & Sarah had a son Harry b. 1887 is it possible he married Annie or is he the one who died in WW1.
There seems to be too many Henry/Harry Spinks' around.
What I do in situations like this is construct mini trees of all the suspect families as this clarifies a lot of things.

[mrsboop]

hi, this is so hard

1901 census for gortons yard states;
harry spink aged 35 hame forger
Sarah spink aged 33
frank sprink aged 18
harry spink aged 14 key driller- I believe this is the harry spink who died in the war in 1916
susan spink aged 10
nellie spink aged 9
JOSEPH spink aged 5- this Joe married and had 2 children, boy Joseph and Girl maybe Sarah.
George spink aged 2

(in 1911 census living at 13 dudley st.)

so it's Joseph's ( the one above born 1896?) son I am after. i believe he was born about 1925?, i know he was living in dudley st with Annie ( which one mother or daughter I am not sure about), i got in touch with someone who remembers Joe living their and joe was a couple of years older than him and he was born in 1928.

so if my mom remembers correctly, bits keep coming back to her. harry spink was married before and his wife had died, they had a son called Joe (1896), who in turn got married and had a son called Joe (1925) . it is this son who then went off with Annie. so basically she went off with her step grandson?
I am not sure if they went on to have kids or get married. I have been through the 1939 register but cant find them together.

i understand what you mean about them keep changing names, who think they fit but the name is not quite right, was this a regular thing for them to keep changing names

I am so grateful for all your help

[mrsboop]

Sorry I was going to ask what the GRO was and how you found out that Sarah green was mom to all the kids, thanks