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Re: Great Grandfather died in WW1 im starting to think not
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 07 December 17 18:51 GMT (UK) »
When did she remarry?

Just searching for that now Liz

she married James Brown (knowing as Jimmy to my Father) living together 1939 Register
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Re: Great Grandfather died in WW1 im starting to think not
« Reply #37 on: Thursday 07 December 17 18:55 GMT (UK) »
And .. (sorry for lots of questions!)  -  1911 has the 13 yr old Martha Isabella junior.  But the 1901 doesn't have her as a 3 yr old - instead it has an L Jane aged 3?  Have you found out where Martha junior was? I assume the children from 1901 all died before 1911. 
Not that any of this helps find William's death, but just trying to get a full view of the family.
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Re: Great Grandfather died in WW1 im starting to think not
« Reply #38 on: Thursday 07 December 17 19:05 GMT (UK) »
And .. (sorry for lots of questions!)  -  1911 has the 13 yr old Martha Isabella junior.  But the 1901 doesn't have her as a 3 yr old - instead it has an L Jane aged 3?  Have you found out where Martha junior was? I assume the children from 1901 all died before 1911. 
Not that any of this helps find William's death, but just trying to get a full view of the family.

Because she was as thick as a brick or drunk she got the daughters mixed up on the 1911 Census should be the other way around
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Re: Great Grandfather died in WW1 im starting to think not
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 07 December 17 19:07 GMT (UK) »
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Jane Turner 1898 1st qtr 10a 321 Lanchester mmn Cowie
Martha Isabella Turner 1904 4th qtr 10a 342 Lanchester mmn Cowie
William Turner 1903 23nd qtr 10a 364 Lanchester mmn Cowie
John George Turner 1907 3rd qtr 10a 377 Lanchester mmn Cowie
Emma (Emily) Turner 1906 1st qtr 10a 362 mmn Cowie
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Re: Great Grandfather died in WW1 im starting to think not
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 07 December 17 19:09 GMT (UK) »
I did wonder if that was the case!   
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Re: Great Grandfather died in WW1 im starting to think not
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 07 December 17 19:13 GMT (UK) »
I did wonder if that was the case!

I don't think she was the full Shilling
just updated all children on 1911 census birth index above there
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Re: Great Grandfather died in WW1 im starting to think not
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 07 December 17 19:15 GMT (UK) »
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One is the fact that he was 52 in 1915 and in a reserved occupation as a miner. I have seen other records of men in their 40's who were refused entry due to age at that time. So I doubt a 52 year old would have been snapped up at the very beginning of the war.

I think this is important. I doubt very much if he would be accepted at that age, at that stage of the war unless he had already been in the army. Also, if the 1911 says that his wife is a widow, and that is true, he can't possibly have fought in WW1.

I wonder if he had left the family and the story was told to the children to cover it up?
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Re: Great Grandfather died in WW1 im starting to think not
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 07 December 17 19:16 GMT (UK) »
I cant find her marriage to James Brown sorry Liz
Not sure if she went under Turner or Cowie ive tried both spanning from 1911 to 1939
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Re: Great Grandfather died in WW1 im starting to think not
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 07 December 17 19:19 GMT (UK) »
I couldn't see a remarriage either.  That might be because one or other is still married to someone else.

I tend to agree that the WW1 story is just what the children were told.  William has left her and they are told he died in WW1.


Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk