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William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« on: Friday 08 December 17 00:19 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

Looking for the details of birth for William Holmes born in Tipperary, Ireland in sometime around 1844 or 1850.
He married Harriet Ann Burton in Ireland, Clogheen 1869
He immigrated to Australia in the 1870's  about 1872 but those dates are all I have re his birth.

His parents are presumably  Robert Holmes and Sarah Litchfield.

Trying to verify this information. I am digging but not getting very far.
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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #1 on: Friday 08 December 17 00:43 GMT (UK) »
His marriage cert isn't online yet, do you have it?
Was he COI?
There aren't many Holmes results for Clogheen and only this marriage for Burton, so I wondered if Mary Holmes (widow Brown) with father William(possibly) Robert (a Clerk) could be a sister of your William.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10761/5924558.pdf

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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #2 on: Friday 08 December 17 09:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sinann

Thanks for reply.  I have absolutely no idea. I don't know anything much about the Irish background.

Yes I do have a copy of that: that is how I got the area of Tipperary and Clogheen.

I also have the Birth Cert for his first child also born in Ireland in county Cork. William Robert Holmes

i recently contacted the Waterford Archives but they do not have anything. I'm about to try the area for the other section of Tipperary. I cannot get anything re this off the GROIE as that starts at present at a few years later than the 1850 period.

I shall have a look at the link and let you know. I have wondered recently if there were siblings. No mention of any here in the information I have so far - more about descendants than ancestors.

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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #3 on: Friday 08 December 17 10:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi again,
I just had a look.  The date is 1886 and I do not believe that any of William's family came here.
 so that is a possibility. A Coincidence that Mary's father is William Robert Holmes.

I will check this with the FHS Group for where they settled, worked and held land.

Let you know asap.

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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #4 on: Friday 08 December 17 10:32 GMT (UK) »
I am sure you have checked all Holmes in the area but just in case

Harriet Ann Holmes married Mark Gilbert in 1858 - marriage not yet on IG.

Sarah Holmes, Shanbally,  grandmother was informant on birth of child Robert Frederick, 1865 and William in 1867.

Sarah Holmes, Shanbally, widow of a Coachman died 1891 informant William Gilbert

Robert Holmes, Shanbally, servant died 1879.

If Robert and Sarah are your William’s parents, he looks to have a sister coincidentally called Harriet Ann.

A coachman and a servant do not match ‘clerk’ though  :-\
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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #5 on: Friday 08 December 17 13:45 GMT (UK) »

Yes I do have a copy of that: that is how I got the area of Tipperary and Clogheen.

What type of church did it take place in?
What was his father's occupation?

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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #6 on: Friday 08 December 17 15:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sinann,

William Holmes and Harriet Ann Burton were married in a United Church of England and Ireland.  30th Oct. 1869   Robert Holmes, William's Father, was a coachman. on this record.

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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #7 on: Friday 08 December 17 15:13 GMT (UK) »
It would have made all the difference if you gave that information in thr first post.
That fits with Sarah the Coachman's wife. Her husband was Robert, I think I saw something else for that couple, I'd have to look again.


Looking over the thread I think heywood has posted everything I saw on that couple.

Snap heywood, we must have been typing at the same time.

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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #8 on: Friday 08 December 17 15:16 GMT (UK) »

See my reply #4   ::)

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