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Samuel GEE: born Birmingham c1836
« on: Friday 08 December 17 14:46 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

Samuel GEE was born c1836/1837 and was imprisoned between 16/07/1851 and 20/12/1855.

His father, John GEE, a Weaver, was living in John Street, Birmingham about 1851 (prison records) but I have no other details of Samuel's immediate family.   It seems he married Emma MURFEY on 14/09/1857 at St. Peter and St. Paul, Aston (banns confirm his father John, a Weaver) and the new family appear on the 1861 England Census with 5 year old daughter, Bessy (RG9/2126/20, p.33).   He may have died 3rd quarter 1886, aged 49 (FreeBMD)

I wonder could someone confirm my information above as accurate and if at all possible add details for Census 1841, 1851, and 1871, 1881.

Thank you,

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Re: Samuel GEE: born Birmingham c1836
« Reply #1 on: Friday 08 December 17 15:19 GMT (UK) »
1851
John Street

H/H with loads and loads of lodgers
incl -

John Gee 49 weaver bn Oxford
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Samuel GEE: born Birmingham c1836
« Reply #2 on: Friday 08 December 17 16:00 GMT (UK) »
On the right track anyway......thank you.

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Re: Samuel GEE: born Birmingham c1836
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 December 17 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Not sure which generation you wanted.
1871 Peel St no4 Slope Terrace
Samuel Gee  33 nut and bolt maker Chipping Norton Oxfordshire
Emma  27 Birmingham

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Re: Samuel GEE: born Birmingham c1836
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 09 December 17 11:19 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Ciderdrinker,

It sounds a very possible answer, but, unfortunately, I cannot find the 1871 England Census entry.
Do you have a reference please?

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Re: Samuel GEE: born Birmingham c1836
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 09 December 17 13:47 GMT (UK) »
Hello Ciderdrinker,

I finally managed to retrieve the 1871 Census and study the detail.   Sadly, I may have to reject the entry through too many differences: Emma is shown as 6 years younger (they were roughly the same age), no sign of daughter Bessy (could have died: no entry) and he was given as born in Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire (not Birmingham)

It is this latter detail that is oddly problematic, for as you will notice his father, according to the earlier post by lizdb, was born in Oxford.......some coincidence :-\

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Re: Samuel GEE: born Birmingham c1836
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 09 December 17 14:29 GMT (UK) »
If it's the same couple then by 1881 they have dropped a number of years from their ages and Samuel is again from Birmingham:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-ZPGG

Have you found a birth for Bessy?
GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Samuel GEE: born Birmingham c1836
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 09 December 17 14:55 GMT (UK) »
The couple seem ideal, except too young, born in 1847 not 1837.......!!

And Bessy??

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Re: Samuel GEE: born Birmingham c1836
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 09 December 17 15:00 GMT (UK) »
I wondered if perhaps their ages had been transposed when the enumerator copied them over, as they otherwise seem to fit with the 1871 couple.

Bessy is a mystery as I cant find her birth. 
GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.