Patrick O'lone, finding the correct Patrick?

[aghadowey]

I suppose anythings possible and i believe alot off records were burned or lost in the 1920s...

A popular misconception, I'm afraid.
Civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages started in 1864 (from 1845 for non-Catholic marriages which include registry office ones) and all those records survive.
The first complete census for all Ireland is 1901- it and 1911 available online (free). Many earlier ones were deliberately destroyed after population figures were extracted (some pulped during WWI for example).
The bulk of records lost in Dublin during Civil War were some census records, original Wills and Church of Ireland registers which had been sent to Dublin for safekeeping.

https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/irish-records-burned.html

[cline]

Well wether im right or wrong obviously my familes records are gone,
looked at all those other o'lones and name variants and theres no Patricks that
match . I know Johns grandson RJ jnr commanded the Ghurkas in Burma WW2 and
won the DSO for Gallantry inturn his son Digby was a Brigadier General in the army,
They were quite clearly a very well educated and intelligent military minded people who
somehow i dont believe they descended from a shoemaker.

[josey]

Well wether im right or wrong obviously my familes records are gone,.

With all due respect, we cannot surmise or guess if we want accurate family history & I advise you to take evidence from records that do exist and from an experienced researcher who is trying to help.

They were quite clearly a very well educated and intelligent military minded people who
somehow i dont believe they descended from a shoemaker.

That simply needn't be the case; the army educated people and education in general improved between ca 1810 [when John's father was probably born] and the end of that century. Many educated people of the 19th & 20th centuries were descended from low paid agricultural labourers and the like - including shoemakers.

[cline]

Josey but there are no records that exist thats my point, the advice you speak off
in my view is negativity and one well know researcher not on this site i may add.
Even suggested a change in religion for a free meal !
My family are not beggars and never were.
They were a noble people.

[cline]

Johns son Capt Walter Percy DCM was killed at Hooge 1915, he was shot jumping into
german trenches leading his men in the attack, Capt RJ MID was also killed Le Bizet 1915,
Lt Charles Henry Spence jnr was one of the original Old Contemptibles was wounded
1917 Pilckem Ridge. Do these sound like men whose grandfather would sell his sole
for a bowl of soup ??
Also how can a mans name be on a marriage certificate if he was dead 7yrs prior
thats not advice thats stupidity!

[aghadowey]

In no particular order-
Also how can a mans name be on a marriage certificate if he was dead 7yrs prior
thats not advice thats stupidity!
Irish marriage certificates do not always indicate if the father is dead so it's perfectly possible for the father to have been deceased for a number of years.

Do these sound like men whose grandfather would sell his sole
for a bowl of soup ??
It could simply be a matter of a mixed marriage, especially since Belfast, which is where the O'Lones were supposed to be from, was not as badly hit by the Great Famine as other parts of Ireland like the rural west for example.

Josey but there are no records that exist thats my point
At this point it's not confirmed that no records exist but merely the case you haven't been able to find any records.

They were quite clearly a very well educated and intelligent military minded people who
somehow i dont believe they descended from a shoemaker.
Then what's the alternative? that John lied at the time of his marriage? I have to agree with josey. It's more likely that John's father was a shoemaker and I can't see that it would be anything to be ashamed of. Once John joined the Army it's not surprising that his family later did the same.

[cline]

I have been looking for answers to solve the Patrick question for a number off years,
In the past so called researchers were helpful and not misleading .
Now once the word presbyterian or british army is  put into the equasion there is an element who
seem to delight in misleading family history.
I am proud of my family my culture and my beliefs.
No records mean no records for now.
Unless you have something sensible to contribute this topic is now closed.

[sarah]

Cline I have just sent you a pm

Sarah

[cline]

This topic is now closed and i dont want any replies off any sort ,
There is no reason my family could not be descendants off Huguenots there are many
names that are similar D'Olon, Du Lone, De Laone , LaLone these are only a few examples.
I am quite happy with the fact that my family have always been Prodestants and military
people so again      KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOUR SELF.