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Garston Marriage for John Ireland & Jane ? about 1843
« on: Monday 11 December 17 20:10 GMT (UK) »
I wonder could some kind person help me find the marriage of John Ireland (b. 1822, Hale/Speke, Lancs) to Jane ? about 1843, but could be later.

The 1851C has the family living at the Salt Works in Garston and they have the following children:

Charles 6 b. 1844 bapt St Michael's, Garston 27 Oct 1844
Thomas 3 b 1847 bapt St Michael's, Garston 11 Jul 1847
William 1 b 1850 bapt St Michael's, Garston 10 Mar 1850

The 1861C finds 4 more children:
Mary Jane  8 b. 1852, bapt St Michael's, Garston 25 Jul 1852
Emma 6 1855 bapt St Michael's, Garston 24 Jun 1855
John 3 1857 bapt St Michael's, Garston 23 Aug 1857
Betsy Jane 9 mos. 1860 bapt St Michael's, Garston

Also
Eliza b 15 Jan 1864 Bapt 4 Apr 1864. St Peter's, L'pool

Each census indicates Jane was born in Garston - but her family name eludes me since I have not been able to find the marriage record. Nor does any of the children's baptismal record indicate Jane's maiden name.

Any help, much appreciated

Best wishes

John
Owens-Swansea/Wallasey/Garston,L’pool
Jones-Erbistock/Widnes
Allen-Tetsworth/Hoole/Runcorn/St.Helens/Iowa/Kansas/Nebraska
Yieveley/Yevily/Everley/Heviley-Little Ness,Salop/Oldbury/St Helens/Garston,L'pool
Davies-Holywell,Garston,L'pool
Ithel-Bagilt,Mold
Fletcher-Rainhill/Widnes
Hughes-Marchwiel,Bangor-Is-Coed,Denbs
Thomas-Oswestry, Salop/Liverpool
Cole-Cliffe Peppard/Lyneham, Wilts
Frawley-Rathkeale, Co. Limerick
Conway-Coolanoran,Co.Limerick
Dinneen-Ballingarry,Co. Limerick

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Re: Garston Marriage for John Ireland & Jane ? about 1843
« Reply #1 on: Monday 11 December 17 20:44 GMT (UK) »
LancashireBMD.org.uk throws up:

1843, John Ireland to Jane Graham
1844, John Ireland to Jane Bellart
1847, John Ireland to Jane Ormrod

Have you checked for a Mother's Maiden Name on GRO.Gov.UK?
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Re: Garston Marriage for John Ireland & Jane ? about 1843
« Reply #2 on: Monday 11 December 17 20:55 GMT (UK) »
From the afore mentioned GRO:


IRELAND, THOMAS        BELLARD      
GRO Reference: 1847  S Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 20  Page 1000

IRELAND, WILLIAM        BELLARD      
GRO Reference: 1850  M Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 20  Page 1060

IRELAND, MARY  JANE      BELLARD      Order
GRO Reference: 1852  S Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 361

IRELAND, EMMA        BELLARD      
GRO Reference: 1855  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 432

IRELAND, JOHN        BELLARD      
GRO Reference: 1857  S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 433

IRELAND, BETSY        BELLARD      
GRO Reference: 1860  J Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 420
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Garston Marriage for John Ireland & Jane ? about 1843
« Reply #3 on: Monday 11 December 17 21:03 GMT (UK) »
Marriage:
June qtr 1844
West Derby Registration District     vol 20, page 790

Ireland, John
+ and, on the same page +
Bellart, Jane

LancashireBMD says it was at Childwall, All Saints
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Garston Marriage for John Ireland & Jane ? about 1843
« Reply #4 on: Monday 11 December 17 21:07 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks.

Checked births for children. Interesting. Jihn Ireland may have married 2 Jane's, in succession. Could not find anything for Charles b 1844 but found (Jane) Bellard for Thomas b. 1847 and (Jane) Graham for John (b. 1847).  D Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 20  Page 904. This seems the way to go.

Now, see I'm on the same page as you.

Thanks again.

Best

John
Owens-Swansea/Wallasey/Garston,L’pool
Jones-Erbistock/Widnes
Allen-Tetsworth/Hoole/Runcorn/St.Helens/Iowa/Kansas/Nebraska
Yieveley/Yevily/Everley/Heviley-Little Ness,Salop/Oldbury/St Helens/Garston,L'pool
Davies-Holywell,Garston,L'pool
Ithel-Bagilt,Mold
Fletcher-Rainhill/Widnes
Hughes-Marchwiel,Bangor-Is-Coed,Denbs
Thomas-Oswestry, Salop/Liverpool
Cole-Cliffe Peppard/Lyneham, Wilts
Frawley-Rathkeale, Co. Limerick
Conway-Coolanoran,Co.Limerick
Dinneen-Ballingarry,Co. Limerick

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Re: Garston Marriage for John Ireland & Jane ? about 1843
« Reply #5 on: Monday 11 December 17 21:17 GMT (UK) »
But there are no deaths for a Jane Ireland, 1840-1847?

I suspect that Charles birth wasn't registered? (It wasn't compulsory until 1874!)
Or that his birth is registered under Jane's previous surname? Maybe she had been married before?

The remaining births and the marriage all tie together nicely ;D
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Garston Marriage for John Ireland & Jane ? about 1843
« Reply #6 on: Monday 11 December 17 21:30 GMT (UK) »
Great work, KD

Many thanks again.

So, it seems that Charles b. 1844 was the son of John Ireland and Jane Graham, possibly not registered, but he was baptised 27 October 1844 @ St Michael's, Garston, by which time John had remarried, to Jane Bellard. But, what happened to Jane Graham? As you say, no evidence of Jane Ireland (nee Graham) death.

Best wishes

John
Owens-Swansea/Wallasey/Garston,L’pool
Jones-Erbistock/Widnes
Allen-Tetsworth/Hoole/Runcorn/St.Helens/Iowa/Kansas/Nebraska
Yieveley/Yevily/Everley/Heviley-Little Ness,Salop/Oldbury/St Helens/Garston,L'pool
Davies-Holywell,Garston,L'pool
Ithel-Bagilt,Mold
Fletcher-Rainhill/Widnes
Hughes-Marchwiel,Bangor-Is-Coed,Denbs
Thomas-Oswestry, Salop/Liverpool
Cole-Cliffe Peppard/Lyneham, Wilts
Frawley-Rathkeale, Co. Limerick
Conway-Coolanoran,Co.Limerick
Dinneen-Ballingarry,Co. Limerick

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Re: Garston Marriage for John Ireland & Jane ? about 1843
« Reply #7 on: Monday 11 December 17 21:40 GMT (UK) »
John Ireland and Jane Graham appear to be having children:
Sarah Ann Ireland 1844
Charles Foster Ireland 1846
John Ireland 1847
Graham Ireland 1849
Margaret Alice Ireland 1850
John Ireland 1852
Emily Jane Ireland 1854
Margaret Alice Ireland 1856

So, they are a different couple ;D

Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Garston Marriage for John Ireland & Jane ? about 1843
« Reply #8 on: Monday 11 December 17 22:02 GMT (UK) »
John Ireland and Jane Graham appear to be having children:
Sarah Ann Ireland 1844
Charles Foster Ireland 1846
John Ireland 1847
Graham Ireland 1849
Margaret Alice Ireland 1850
John Ireland 1852
Emily Jane Ireland 1854
Margaret Alice Ireland 1856

So, they are a different couple ;D

 For info.

John Ireland   29 merchant
Jane Ireland   31
Sarah Ireland   6
Chas F Ireland   5
Graham Ireland   2
Margt Ireland   8 Mo
plus 2 servants
living Belmont Road West Derby
1851 c HO107; Piece: 2192; Folio: 979; Page: 19

John Ireland 28 Salt works lab.
Jane Ireland 26
Charles Ireland 6
Thomas Ireland 3
William Ireland 1
living Salt Works Garston
1851 c HO107; Piece: 2192; Folio: 1202; Page: 48