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will from 1583
« on: Monday 11 December 17 20:39 GMT (UK) »
Trying to decipher this old will but I have struck a brick wall with the attached section...

Any help would be much appreciated...

Cheran 8)

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Re: will from 1583
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 04:38 GMT (UK) »
Here is the first half:

The debintery of all the goodes that Thomas ?uddy ought
at the houre of his death

Inp(ri)mis to sander troughtonn of hell?este________________ijs iiijd
Itm to Oliver asburner of holt gill_________________________xiijs iiijd
Itm to Katherine Racli?fe___________________________________xiijs iiijd
Itm to Christofer singletonn________________________________xiiijs
Itm to Thomas asburner of ?ilt______________________________viijs vd
Itm to Nicholas singletonn of corney________________________vijs viijd
Itm to John parke wife______________________________________vs
Itm to Richard singletonn milner____________________________xxijd
Itm to John Shipperd________________________________________iijs iiijd


ought = owed

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Re: will from 1583
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 04:56 GMT (UK) »
The rest:

Itm to James [Lebie?]_______________________________________iijs iiijd
Itm to Nicholas singletonn of midletonn place____________________ijs
Itm to Leonard scotton*_____________________________________iijs
Itm to Jenat apetisonns_____________________________________xijd
Itm to Willm taylor_________________________________________vjd
Itm to Stephen troughtonn___________________________________xiiijd


The amount at the right side is:  iiijli iijd

The amount at the bottom is:  ixli xvijs ixd

The word which precedes that amount isn't clear to me.  Could it be relic?

*This name could possibly be Prestonn, but a strict view of the letter forms says not.

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Re: will from 1583
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 20:19 GMT (UK) »
Many Thanks for your help.... 

Next step can you work out the numerals

ie.  I think xiiijd   would be 23 for xiii but what does the jd become....

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Re: will from 1583
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 20:23 GMT (UK) »
'j' was used as the last 'i' - iiij = 4
x = 10
So your xiiij would be 14
And vi would be 6

The word before the amount at the bottom of ix li xvij s ix d (9 pounds 17 shillings and 9 pence) does look like 'relict' HD. As in 'what's left'?

As this is a list of what he owed, which equalled iiij li iij d (4 pounds 3 pence), perhaps that was subtracted from an original total of the value of his estate.
My guess is there is (or was) another piece of paper with an 'Inventory of his goods and chattels',  that totalled 13 pounds 18 shillings (if I remember my addition of pounds , shillings and pence correctly!).
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: will from 1583
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 21:48 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your help

Attached is the Inventory list but this is even hard I think...

Cheran ::) ::)

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Re: will from 1583
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 13 December 17 03:32 GMT (UK) »
This is the best I can do at this resolution.  Some numbers appear to have been crossed out.  I have transcribed what I think are the intended numbers:

The inventory of the goodes of Thomas Cuddy [which?] was [praysed?] the 6 day
of aprill by [?] [?] men that is Edward asburner Richard singletonn
Thomas asburner and Thomas [myars?] anno do(mi)ni___________1583

Inprimis eight head of Cattell____________________________________?ijli xiijs iiijd
Itm xxvij sheepe__________________________________________________xxs [viijd?]
Itm [?]___________________________________________________________lvs
Itm [?]___________________________________________________________xxs
Itm haye and [sway?]______________________________________________iijs iiijd
Itm for bedding and [insight?] and all kinde of houshould stufe_________iijli xiijs
Itm that he [?haythe?] owen unto him______________________________xxs iiijd
Itm [?]___________________________________________________________viijs
Itm for plowing the Land__________________________________________iiijs
Itm


                                                Summa totalis__________xiijli xviijs


ADDED:

It may be simply:   that he haythe owen unto him

where:  haythe = hath

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Re: will from 1583
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 13 December 17 03:40 GMT (UK) »
A useful reference for numbers and other common aspects of old documents is here:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/quick_reference.htm

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Re: will from 1583
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 13 December 17 04:43 GMT (UK) »
Many Many Thanks....


Will try a bit more with this information

It is a great Help!!!!! 8) 8)

Cheran