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Mother's maiden name is the same as the father's surname
« on: Monday 11 December 17 22:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I've just received the attached birth certificate. As you can see it lists:

- father = George Gardiner
- mother = Jane Gardiner formerly Gardiner

I'm thinking that its either a Gardiner marrying a Gardiner (unlikely!) or that the mother was born out of wedlock? Although if it's the latter why would you take the name of your husband!?

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Re: Mother's maiden name is the same as the father's surname
« Reply #1 on: Monday 11 December 17 22:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

I see nothing odd or unlikely about Jane's maiden surname being same as her married surname.    Have you looked for the marriage, or for births of siblings for the baby being registered?

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Re: Mother's maiden name is the same as the father's surname
« Reply #2 on: Monday 11 December 17 22:46 GMT (UK) »
I have cousins who married in the 1800's so it is not impossible that John and Jane were related in some capacity.

Have you been able to find any other info on them ? Is there a marriage certificate ?

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 11 December 17 22:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

I see nothing odd or unlikely about Jane's maiden surname being same as her married surname.    Have you looked for the marriage, or for births of siblings for the baby being registered?

JM

You don't think it's unusual that a man and a woman with the same surname should marry? It's not exactly as common as 'Smith'!


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« Reply #4 on: Monday 11 December 17 22:48 GMT (UK) »
This looks like the marriage

Marriages Jun 1848   

GARDINER    George        Weardale 24 363
GARDINER    Jane        Weardale    24   363    
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 11 December 17 22:52 GMT (UK) »
There's another daughter, Elizabeth, according to the 1851 census:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJP-VP6

And, for what it's worth, I don't think it's at all unusual?! ;D
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« Reply #6 on: Monday 11 December 17 22:54 GMT (UK) »
No it's not unusual.  I have first cousins marrying in my grandfather's family.  Both had the same surname as their fathers were brothers.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 11 December 17 22:57 GMT (UK) »
No it's not unusual.  I have first cousins marrying in my grandfather's family.  Both had the same surname as their fathers were brothers.

Bloody hell, am I an inbred!?

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 11 December 17 22:58 GMT (UK) »
1851  :) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJP-VMM

Nope, I don't see anything odd there at all, sorry.   I was an attendant to my best friend's marriage in 1970s.  Her maiden surname and her married surname is definitely not your popular SMITH, BROWN, JONES variety, nor even as popular as GARDINER/GARDENER/GARDNER.  According to white pages listings, there's less than ten entries in the current phone books for all of New South Wales, Australia, and eight of those are in Sydney, NSW.  However, my friend and her husband do not share a common ancestor, only a common surname.   JM

Hi there,

I see nothing odd or unlikely about Jane's maiden surname being same as her married surname.    Have you looked for the marriage, or for births of siblings for the baby being registered?

JM

You don't think it's unusual that a man and a woman with the same surname should marry? It's not exactly as common as 'Smith'!
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