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1851 Manchester St George: HASSELL & HUDSON? 12 Back Holgate
« on: Wednesday 13 December 17 15:50 GMT (UK) »
I have a transcript of the two households at the address below, but wonder if someone could take a look at the original page, if possible: 

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HO107/2230/Enum Dist 1H/page 57-58
12 Bk Holgate Street, Manchester St George

Chas HASSELL,Head,M,48,Shoe (Maker),Flint Wales
Wm HASSELL,Son,U,20,Shoe (Maker),Manchester Lancashire
Saml HASSELL,Dau,U,19,Manchester Lancashire
Alfred HASSELL,Son,U,14,Shoemaker,Manchester Lancashire
Joseph HASSELL,Son,U,11,Shoecloser,Manchester Lancashire
Rebecca BARNETT,Lodger, U, 16, Shoebinder, Manchester Lancashire

Richd HUDSON,Head,M,35,Hawker,Manchester Lancashire
Rebecca HUDSON,Wife,M,43,Manchester Lancashire
Betsey HUDSON,Dau,U,16,Hawker,Manchester Lancashire
Mary Ann HUDSON,Dau,U,12,Manchester Lancashire
John WHITEHEAD,Nephew,U,21,Machine Maker,Manchester Lancashire
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But Iím wondering how clear the HUDSON surname is: could it possibly be HUTCHINSON?

I canít find records for a similar Richard and Rebecca HUDSON, but Richard and Rebecca HUTCHINSON bear more fruit: and might help me break down a longstanding wall. Thanks!
ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES:†Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford

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Re: 1851 Manchester St George: HASSELL & HUDSON? 12 Back Holgate
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 December 17 16:06 GMT (UK) »
The image shows Hudson.

The page is rather stained but the name is Hudson.

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Re: 1851 Manchester St George: HASSELL & HUDSON? 12 Back Holgate
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 December 17 16:10 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks! Iíll do a little more digging -
ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES:†Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford

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Re: 1851 Manchester St George: HASSELL & HUDSON? 12 Back Holgate
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 December 17 22:53 GMT (UK) »
Okay - I did some more digging. To review: here's the household at 12 Back Holgate Street in 1851:
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Richd HUDSON,Head,M,35,Hawker,Manchester Lancashire
Rebecca HUDSON,Wife,M,43,Manchester Lancashire
Betsey HUDSON,Dau,U,16,Hawker,Manchester Lancashire
Mary Ann HUDSON,Dau,U,12,Manchester Lancashire
John WHITEHEAD,Nephew,U,21,Machine Maker,Manchester Lancashire
Mary WELLEBY, Niece,U,23,Weaver,Manchester Lancashire
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However! on 14 April 1851 at Manchester Cathedral, John WHITEHEAD (21, mechanic, son of Benjamin Whitehead) married Mary WILLOUGHBY (23, of 12 Back Holgate Street, daughter of Isaac WILLOUGHBY). The witnesses were Richard and Rebecca HUTCHINSON.

So that seems like the same bunch of people - and it seems that HUTCHINSON might be the real surname, after all....

And the following records might be connected:

On 28 Oct 1860 at St. Thomas in Wigan:
Richard PARKINSON (25, Collier, Bachelor, son of Richard Parkinson, Weaver) married Mary Ann HUTCHINSON (22, Spinster, daughter of Richard HUTCHINSON, Hawker) [The 1871 Census says Mary Ann PARKINSON, 33, weaver, wife of Richard PARKINSON, coal miner, was born in BURY]

On 11 Nov 1838 at St. Luke's in Heywood:
Mary Ann HUTCHINSON (daughter of Richd. HUTCHINSON, weaver [sic] & Becca HUTCHINSON) was baptised. 

On 19 Nov 1837 at St. Mary the Virgin in Bury:
Richard HUTCHINSON (Weaver of Wrigley Brook, son of John HUTCHINSON, Weaver) married Rebecca WORTHINGTON (Spinster of Wrigley Brook, daughter of James WORTHINGTON, Weaver)

On 21 Aug 1808 at St. Mary the Virgin, Bury:
Rebekah WORTHINGTON (daughter of James Worthington & Isabella of Heap) was baptised.

....

The reason this intrigues me is that Elizabeth WORTHINGTON of 12 Back Holgate Street (born c1834-35 in Middleton, daughter of James WORTHINGTON, Spinner) married Thomas SMITH on 15 Feb 1852.

I havenít been able to trace Elizabeth WORTHINGTON (my ggg-grandmother) further back than her 1852 wedding, so I wonder if she was mistakenly enumerated as "Betsey HUDSON" in 1851. But was she really the daughter of James WORTHINGTON and was simply living with her much older sister in 1851, or was she Rebecca WORTHINGTON's daughter, born out of wedlock - or was she something else....?

I welcome any help, thoughts, and/or questions...
ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES:†Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford

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Re: 1851 Manchester St George: HASSELL & HUDSON? 12 Back Holgate
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 December 17 07:36 GMT (UK) »
GRO
Mary Ann Hutchinson,mothers maiden name Worthington
registered Bury Union,D Quater  1838,
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: 1851 Manchester St George: HASSELL & HUDSON? 12 Back Holgate
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 December 17 09:35 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

There is this family

1841 576 /14/22

Poland Street Manchester

Rebecca Hutcheson 30 yrs P L Weaver b Ireland
Richard Hutcheson 35 yrs
Betsey 8 yrs
Mary 2 yrs

Richard, Betsey and Mary all born in county

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Re: 1851 Manchester St George: HASSELL & HUDSON? 12 Back Holgate
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 December 17 13:19 GMT (UK) »
I'm sure that's them - though the Ireland bit is troubling.

This has punched through a long-standing wall, but another one looms right behind it:

I'm convinced that Betsey HUDSON/HUTCHESON/HUTCHINSON, born c1833-35, is the same person as the Elizabeth WORTHINGTON, 18, who married Thomas SMITH on 15 Feb 1852 at Manchester Cathedral.

Elizabeth's given address is 12 Back Holgate - same address in 1851, by the way, of Charles HASSALL whose son James married Thomas SMITH's sister Ellen, 24 Dec 1849.

The 1871 and 1881 censuses say Elizabeth (WORTHINGTON) SMITH was born in Middleton, c1835.

But why, when she married, did she use the WORTHINGTON surname - and name James WORTHINGTON, Spinner, as her father?

ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES:†Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford

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Re: 1851 Manchester St George: HASSELL & HUDSON? 12 Back Holgate
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 16 December 17 19:47 GMT (UK) »
i find " lancashire parish clerk " a good place to search for bmd .... marriage details give a lot of information sometimes