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Married in Essex but living in South Shields - How come?
« on: Thursday 14 December 17 09:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi people,

My great grandparents married in St Marks Parish church, Victoria Docks, Essex, on Feb 10th, 1889.
Their names are William Sanderson Coulson & Jane Sewell.

All the censuses prior to 1889 have both of them living in South Shields & Newcastle.
All of the censuses after 1889 have them raising a family in South Shields.
Therefore a marriage in Essex is odd.

Something I read recently suggests that people in the UK were expected to marry in the parish in which one of them lived. If not, they had to pay (whom, I don't know) for permission to marry elsewhere. Therefore this suggests that one or both of my great grandparents were living in Essex for a few years before they married. Either that or they had some special reason to go south and spend valuable money on a permit.

I have no other evidence that either of them lived outside of Shields/Newcastle.

Their marriage cert gives addresses that they lived at in 1889:
13 Clyde Rd for the groom
3 Gordon Terrace for the bride.


>>> I wonder, can we do some research on those addresses to find out who was living there circa 1889? Were they residences or boarding houses. for example.

Also, does anyone have an idea of how we could prove that these people lived for a while in Essex sometime between 1881 and 1891?

Alternately, is it possible to find a reason why a couple might dash down to this place to get married? Is this particular parish special in some way? (religious order perhaps?)

Looking forward to your suggestions.

-David C


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Re: Married in Essex but living in South Shields - How come?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 December 17 09:58 GMT (UK) »
"Victoria Docks, two ecclesiastical parishes in West Ham civil parish, Essex".

Probably just met up as two people from the same area a long way from home and hit it off.
Have you not researched the two addresses 1881 & 1891 as a start from free census indexes?
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Re: Married in Essex but living in South Shields - How come?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 December 17 10:28 GMT (UK) »
Gordon Terrace was in Clyde Road, after number 20.  (The area is West Ham).  Both addresses were residential per the 1891 census.

Were they married by banns or by licence? If by banns they would have needed to reside in the parish for 3 weeks prior to the marriage.

What were their occupations at the time of marriage, and what were the witnesses' names? Any clues there? 

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Re: Married in Essex but living in South Shields - How come?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 December 17 10:52 GMT (UK) »
Hello Pauline and Shaun

I was just starting to do research on the addresses.
Couldn't find Clyde Rd in Essex using Google Maps. Perhaps the road no longer exists?
Likewise couldn't find Gordon Tce anywhere. Lots of roads & streets in London named Gordon. But how to choose?

Yes, examining occupants in 1881 and 1891 was to be my next step.

One witness is a cousin to the groom. who lived in London at the time.

Witnesses = Thomas Edwards and Louisa Coulson (Louisa is the cousin, by a marriage)

Louisa is mispelt as Lousia on the marriage cert.

I have no idea (yet) who Thomas Edwards is.

William Coulson (the groom) was a boilermaker / labourer. Later in life he worked as a storeman at a copper works in South Shields.

William's cousins moved down to London (and later to Wales) from South Shields, and I think they worked on the railways. I have not researched this family very much.

I see that the GER is in the neighbourhood of Vic Docks

Shaun, are you saying that the bride and groom lived in adjacent streets?
Can you point me to a neighbourhood I can view in Google Maps?

Cheers all
-DC


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Re: Married in Essex but living in South Shields - How come?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 December 17 10:54 GMT (UK) »
Oh yes, I forgot to ask:

How do you determine if the marriage was by licence or by banns?

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 December 17 11:06 GMT (UK) »
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How do you determine if the marriage was by licence or by banns?

Normally it would be stated just above the vicars's signature in bottom right.
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 14 December 17 11:08 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Married in Essex but living in South Shields - How come?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 14 December 17 11:21 GMT (UK) »
Ah yes... Banns is written exactly where you said :)

Therefore someone was in residence for 3 weeks or more.

Address search (in FindMyPast) on 13 Clyde Rd, West Ham in 1891 produces no results!
8 names listed there in 1881. Surnames Page and Crouch, No known connection to my family.

If any of those 8 names in 1881 were lodgers, that would set a precedent for William Coulson as a lodger in 1889. I can't see census forms from here, unfortunately.

Will try Gordon Tce next.

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Re: Married in Essex but living in South Shields - How come?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 14 December 17 11:54 GMT (UK) »
The occupants of 13 Clyde Road in 1891 were Joseph Thompson, 32, a sugar labourer from Ireland, and family. Plus one boarder. 

The occupants of 3 Gordon Terrace, Clyde Road, in 1891 were James Farringdon, 30, a carman from Wapping, and family. Plus one boarder
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