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Where is Emma's daughter?
« on: Thursday 14 December 17 11:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Emma Dewis born 1838 married Joseph Lee (occ Carman) 20 Aug 1866 in Whitechapel London.
On the 1871 census is recorded a daughter Annie Lee aged 8 which would have her birth year as 1863, some 3 years before the parents marriage.
Emma remarried a Thomas Meek in 1876 and on the 1881 census Emma's daughter, Annie, is not living with them. If you take Annie's birth date of 1863 then she would be 18 or 15 if born in 1866 so could be working else where. Trouble is the name Annie Lee is a popular name so not sure how I can find her on the 1881 census or later records, any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 December 17 11:13 GMT (UK) »
have you looked for the birth reg of Annie Dewis in 1863-ish?
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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 December 17 11:25 GMT (UK) »
just about to post but Pauline beat me to it. Forgot to say in my first post that I ordered two birth certificates, one for Annie MariaLee born 1863 in Bethnal Green and an Annie Lee born 1866 in Hackney. Both the wrong person Trouble is there are a few Annie Lee's born in London at this time.
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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 December 17 11:27 GMT (UK) »
Sorry Pauline, just read your post again and the answer is no but I will now. Had not thought Annie might be illegitimate.
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Francis - Hilperton
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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 December 17 11:33 GMT (UK) »
Nothing showing on F...BMD for an Annie Dewis
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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 December 17 11:36 GMT (UK) »
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a daughter Annie Lee aged 8 which would have her birth year as 1863, some 3 years before the parents marriage.

Yes illegitimate I would say *

Have to consider the possibility she may have died before the next census - have you looked for a death 1871-1881?

* having said that were either of them widowed when they married?  Possible Annie came along that way and perhaps belonged to Joseph  :-\
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 14 December 17 11:45 GMT (UK) »
There is an Annie Lee death in 1871 age 9 but in Mar quarter so shouldn't be her. 
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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 14 December 17 11:52 GMT (UK) »
Yes I just found that record but as she was on the 1871 census cannot be her in March 1871. All the other records do not match the birth date/age on 1871 census.
Both parents have recorded Batchelor and Spinster on their marriage certificate.
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Francis - Hilperton
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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 14 December 17 15:18 GMT (UK) »
It is tricky, as you say there are a few different options for Annie Lee as servants in 1881.

Doesn't seem to be a birth registration for Annie Dewis either but Annie could be a nickname or a middle name.  Dewis births in London are thin on the ground around that time.   

Did Emma have any more children?  Maybe she didn't belong to her after all but was taken in by the family.  What happens to Emma is she alive in 1911? 
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