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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #72 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Is this the death for Christopher Dewis

Sep 1893 Whitechapel age 33

Per the marriage to Rachel his father was Thomas.  Hers was Solomon.  Both fathers deceased. 
One of the witnesses is Annie - too much to hope it was the missing Annie - her surname is something like Kitelberg. 
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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #73 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 12:22 GMT (UK) »
Dewis deaths in Whitechapel to cross reference

Thomas Philip Jun 1891 age 1 **
Alfred Jun 1892 age 4
Jenny Sep 1900 age 2
Sarah Sep 1893 age 0

** baptism record shows parents Christopher and Rachel

Have to double check but there was a married Christopher in 1891 with a couple of boarders but not Rachel.  I know Christopher and Rachel were found earlier in 1891 so this one might be the one that died (he was 30 in 1891)
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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #74 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 13:33 GMT (UK) »
Christopher and Rachel are actually together at 13 Grey Eagle Street in 1891.
The census pages are out of order!
In piece 273 folio 46 page 32
Schedule number is 217
(last name on page)
Christopher Dewis 30 Market Porter

next is a page out of order

folio 47 page 33
Rachel and the children
followed by schedule 218 (15 Grey Eagle Street)

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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #75 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 14:34 GMT (UK) »
Aah I did not see them - well done! 

So that confirms 3 of the children as Elizabeth - Alfred - Thomas P

If there were only 4 mentioned in 1911 we have too many with Isaac - Sarah making 5.

Trouble is the "marriage" by 1911 wasn't with Christopher so technically they shouldn't have been counted anyway.  Who knows which 4 children they were talking about  :-\

On a lighter note can anyone read the name of Annie the witness to Christopher/Rachel marriage just in case it turns out to be Annie Lee.  Very long shot I know but no stone unturned etc



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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #76 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 14:37 GMT (UK) »
Another problem birth for Alfred Dewis Jun 1889 Shoreditch has mothers maiden name Friend. 
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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #77 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 14:43 GMT (UK) »
Elizabeth is on a school admission register date of birth 3 May 1885 father Christopher.
So she was born before they married. 
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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #78 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 19:12 GMT (UK) »
Gosh lots of replies and though we seemed to have veered away from Annie it could well be the information you have found might be the lead we have been looking for with the witness at the marriage of Christopher and Rachel being named Annie, I could kick myself as I have their marriage certificate. The witness is an Annie EITELBERG and given Annie was recorded as 8 years old on the census record (b 1863) this would mean if this is our Annie she would have been 24 at the time so possible. The search goes on for the marriage record for Annie Lee (Eitelberg).
On the other points found I believe Christopher died in 1893 as all the other Christopher Dewis's I have found died later. Alfred Dewis whose mother is Friend is another branch of the family so can be disregarded. Elizabeth born before parents marriage would have been frowned upon especially in the Jewish community, perhaps she was ostracised and so married in a church of england church to a protestant.You mention 4 children in 1911 I have Sarah 1993-1993, Elizabeth 1886, Alfred 1889-1892, Thomas 1890-1891 and of course the one I did not have Issac. If there is a 1911 census record for Rachel is she still recorded as Dewis? if so then her marriage to Mr Churches would be after that date.
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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #79 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 21:47 GMT (UK) »
Rebecca was a Church(es) on 1901 and 1911

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Re: Where is Emma's daughter?
« Reply #80 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 22:27 GMT (UK) »
many thanks, I will continue to try and find a marriage record
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