Author Topic: Berkshire Will  (Read 1981 times)

Offline JSHD2011

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Berkshire Will
« on: Friday 15 December 17 17:28 GMT (UK) »
Please can we get some help deciphering this and another will?  Quite poor quality is it legible enough?

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 December 17 18:47 GMT (UK) »
The quality seems OK.

It's not a will, but a set of accounts submitted by his widow Elizabeth, the administrator of his estate.

I'm afraid I don't have time to do it right now. Someone else may get to it more quickly.

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 December 17 20:02 GMT (UK) »
Ok thanks,

Sounds like Elizabeth Gertrude Mollere.   There are four pages:  Most interested to know if William Illsley married Joanne Jane Piper (Compton 1570) is mentioned.   Also, most interested to know if John's parents are mentioned could be a father John or George.

We have got another three page one (with Latin in it?) which may be John's fathers George of Brimpton (equal quality) d.1567 see attached

NB/Each will has a title page (omitted)

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 December 17 20:30 GMT (UK) »
This is the first image you posted.
The accounts of his widow for administrating his estate.
Sounds like he had a good send off!  ;)

An account of Elizabeth Ilsley the W(idow) &
administratrix of all & singular the goods & chattles of
John Isley her her late husband late of Aldemaston (?)
deceased within the [     ] of berkes made & exhi-
bited the xxviijth day of Aprill 1593 befor the
right worshipfull Mr D Martin office of berkes

Imprimis this accomplament (?) chargeth the [   ] with
the whole somme that the Inventory of the goodes of the        Cl  ij s vj d
said John deceased ammountinge to the somme of
                Summa [   ]  p[   ]

Whereof this accomplament praieth to be allowed (?) for
keeping him in his sickness & for her expences about
his funeralles & charges in & about her administ
ration & other necessary charges as followeth

Imprimis for his shrowde (?)                                     iij s iiij d
Itm for his coffyn                                                       iijs iiijd
Itm for making his grave                                            iiij d
Itm to the Ringers                                                       ij s vj d
Itm [    ] of his funerall feast or remembrance
two barrelles of beer                                                   vj s viij d
Itm in bread at the same tyme                                    vj s viij d
Itm in beast (?) at the same tyme                                xv s
Itm in [   ] at the same tyme                                        ij s                     
Itm in poorke at the same tyme                                   vj s  8 d
Itm in geese at the same tyme                                     ij s
Itm in p(art)ridge at the same tyme                             ij s
Itm in monie bestoweth vxx d the poore                     
over & above at the same tyme                                   xiij s 4 d
Itm for the letter of adminstration                               
exhibiting the Inventorie & the
apparisors fees                                                          vj s x d 
Itm for a monies (?)  to can...    the
creditors (?)                                                                ij s vj d
Itm for executing the same                                        xx d
Itm for the charges [    ] in executing his administration
& at the her the [    ] came to paye her account           vj s viij d


Somebody will fill in the gaps no doubt.

'Ringers' would have been the bell ringers.

So no genealogical information in this part, interesting as it is.

Added: I think the other meat at the feast could be 'mutton'.
Well, they've got a 'beast', pork, geese and partridge, so very likely some sheep too!  :)
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 December 17 20:40 GMT (UK) »
Wow quite a spread!

I think one of the pages of the rest of it is less good quality.

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 December 17 20:42 GMT (UK) »
The second clip is the just the administration of George Ilsley, late of Brimpton, estate, to wife Margery.

The third clip is in Latin, so you will have to wait for Bookbox's return!
I can't see many Ilsey names in it however.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 December 17 20:45 GMT (UK) »
Thanks I will try to attached the final of John to this.  Sorry to confuse by putting George in the middle.

Ancestry generated 8 children for John and Elizabeth:  Joane, John, Margaret, Alyce, Mayme, William, Johan, Thomas and Walter.  I don't know what order they were in.   We are hoping that John and Elizabeth are William married Joanne Piper Compton c.1570 parents.  We are not clear if George is this John's father or whether there was another John in between William and George.

We got Margery Abury of Wolhampton (daughter of Morryce) from Visitations:
https://archive.org/stream/fourvisitationso5657ryla#page/n61/mode/2up/search/hildesley

NB/That was 1566 so it would appear he died the year after

NB2/ In Oxfordshire where we are, a beast in the field would be a cow

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 December 17 22:21 GMT (UK) »
The second clip is the just the administration of George Ilsley, late of Brimpton, estate, to wife Margery.
The third clip is in Latin, so you will have to wait for Bookbox's return!
I can't see many Ilsey names in it however.

The 2nd and 3rd clips are two halves of the same administration bond. Bonds are normally in two halves -- the 'obligation' (3rd clip, in Latin) comes first, followed by the 'condition' (2nd clip, in English).

None of the documents you've posted is a will. I'm afraid they're not likely to help much (if at all) in answering your genealogical queries.

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 16 December 17 05:13 GMT (UK) »
A few suggestions to add to goldie's transcript of the accounts:

...the Archdeaconry of berkes...

I think the beginning of the second section is:

Inp(ri)mis this accomptant chargeth her self w(i)th...

It's Su(m)ma oneris but I can't get the last word.

In the list:

...spent at his funerall...

Agree with mutton.

Much as I love the thought of them consuming partridge, I see that word as pigges.

(I know that porcke has already been listed.)

...in monie [possibly monies] bestowed upp(on) the poore...

...for a monitio(n) to [cautio(n)?] the creditors...

...for her charges spent in p(ro)curing this administration...

Not sure about the next bit, but I think it ends with: ...to passe her account