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Please can you date photo of Eliza Simpson - presumed date now questioned
« on: Saturday 16 December 17 10:08 GMT (UK) »
On a previous post I attached a photo of my Great Grandmother Eliza sitting in a chair.  I presumed this to be taken of her as an old lady shortly before she died in 1946.  Another RootsChatter has raised a question about this being from this period, and thinks the photo is from as much earlier time.

Now I am wondering if this photo may actually be Eliza's Mother and not Eliza.  Her Mother who was originally called Lucy Gamesby died in 1919.  Perhaps Mother and daughter looked similar.  I just presumed the photos I posted this week of Eliza and baby and the old lady on the chair were one and the same.  Lucy was the illegitimate daughter of Eliza Gamesby.  The latter went on to marry William Ditchburn and they had more children.  Lucy married Thomas Simpson my Great x 2 Grandfather then widowed married John Parkinson.  She also went by the name of Louisa. 

Thanks in anticipation.

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Re: Please can you date photo of Eliza Simpson - presumed date now questioned
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 17 December 17 03:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi, RTL,

Iím often wrong, but Iíll have a stab at it; perhaps more reliable daters will follow.

I think itís the same person in both photos, and I think they could be about 20-25 years apart. That is, I think she looks to be in her 60s rather than her 70s in the later photo (if it were in the 1940s). Jim has dated the earlier one as 1905-10 or a little later. Say then that this photo depicts your great grandmother and your aunt in 1911, so making Eliza about 42 years old. If the other photo was taken 20-25 years later she would have been in her mid-60s (roughly-speaking) which would date that later photo to the early to mid-1930s. In the 1930s hemlines did fall again (following the Depression) and the spotted dress pattern was quite typical of the 1930s.

It would be nice to know the age of that unusual-looking seat. While it is obviously not new, it looks more modern (and less long-lasting) than the solid wooden chairs seen in most old photos. Dating it might help to establish an earliest-possible date (but after a lot of googling I havenít found anything quite like it).

Anyway, I hope this helps.
Peter
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Re: Please can you date photo of Eliza Simpson - presumed date now questioned
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 17 December 17 09:08 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Peter.  I tend to think that these are both photos of Eliza too.  The faces look very similar so I do think these are one and the same person.  I think this is very likely now that the second photo was from the 1930s.  From what I have heard about Eliza she was a person who sewed.  The dress looks home-made so I wouldn't be surprised if Eliza made this herself.  My cousin told me that she was told by her Mother ( now deceased) that Eliza made their pinnies.  According to Cousin her Mother told her she was the baby in the photo.  I believe that this is what my Aunt thought but I think this was actually her older sister who was the first Grandchild who was born on 4 July 1910.  This fits in with the dating suggested.  They only had one other sister but she was born in 1919 and died in 1920.

The chair and back drop makes me think the second photo was taken in a photographers establishment of some sort. 

Many thanks again for post.  It definitely seems plausible that the second photo is from the 1930s.

Merry Christmas Peter :)
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