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THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN
« on: Sunday 17 December 17 15:10 GMT (UK) »
Hope someone can help.  I have been searching for years for the marriage of a Thomas READ and his wife Elizabeth (surname unknown).  I think he was born circa 1789 and she circa 1791.  Both were weavers in Bethnal Green. Lived at 17 Wilmot Street, Bethnal Green.  Some years ago a lady helped me with what she could find but it appears that the wife's information may not be whom I am searching for.
On census' she says she was born at St Lukes, Middlesex but don't know her surname
Thomas also says he was born Middlesex.
I do not know when they married but they had the following children that I know of:

Jane 1828 - she was a weaver also
Charles 1829 - this guy came to Australia.
Benjamin 1835
Alfred 1835

I was told that there may have been a James 1827, and a George 1820, and an Emma 1824 but I am not sure of any of this.
Hope someone can tell me Elizabeth's surname.  I have a marriage record for Thomas READ and Elizabeth Wilks Legassick but not sure about this marriage.
We have a record that a William READ and Sarah were Thomas' parents but this is not proven.
Lesley

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Re: THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 17 December 17 15:49 GMT (UK) »
For anyone looking 1841 census ref HO107/691 bk8 f9 p10 - Bethnal Green
Thomas 50
Elizabeth 50
George 20
Ann 19
James 15
Jane 14
Charles 12
Benjamin 8
Alfred 6
all bn Middx
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Re: THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 17 December 17 16:05 GMT (UK) »
Ann's baptism was in Bethnal Green June 1822, abode Wilmott Street - fathers occ Weaver. 

Possible baptism for George at Spitalfields 27 Feb 1820 parents Thomas & Elizabeth fathers occ Weaver

The Elizabeth Wilks Leggasick marriage was St Martin in the Fields 29 August 1822
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Re: THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17 December 17 16:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi James William Read was born 18th December 1824 baptism 6th February 1825 St Matthew Bethnal Green Father Thomas occ Weaver Mother Elizabeth address Wilmott Street
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Re: THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 December 17 16:24 GMT (UK) »
There is a possible marriage 30 Sep 1816 at St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
Thomas Read & Elizabeth Whitbread - they were both widowed  :-\

I wonder if there were children born before George who had left home

There is a Thomas Read bapt May 1814 Spitalfields parents Thomas & Elizabeth father occ Weaver - abode Wilkes Street - same street as the baptism I found for George
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Re: THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17 December 17 16:34 GMT (UK) »
If George & Thomas are their children  :-\

Thomas Read
Elizabeth Burnell
30 Dec 1810
St Giles without Cripplegate, City of London
One of the witnesses was a John Read
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Re: THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 December 17 18:25 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure what records Lesley already has but walking forwards from 1841 there's a possible lead for Thomas and Elizabeth:

Thomas Read & Elizabeth

Censuses:

1851 Wilmot Street, Bethnal Green
Thomas, Elizabeth and daughter Jane. All weavers.
Ref HO107; Piece 1541; Folio 87; Page 7;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGBJ-NN1

1861 Holford Square, St James Clerkenwell
Thomas, married, retired weaver
Daughter Ann
Both with Thomas's son-in-law Thomas Simpson, head of household, widower, linen draper.
Ref RG09; Piece 192; Folio 32; Page 26;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M2-T2VD

There's a number of possible matches for wife Elizabeth in 1861 but nothing obvious.

1871 Church Road Havelock Cottage, Edmonton
Thomas, retired silk weaver, and Elizabeth
Ref RG10; Piece 1341; Folio 46; Page 28;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF6Z-MD1


Possible GRO deaths references:
1876 Q1 Death - Thomas Read; age 88 (born c1788); Edmonton; 03a; 171


Thomas Simpson & Elizabeth Ann Read - daughter of Thomas Read & Elizabeth

GRO BMD references:

1842 Q3 Marriage - Thomas Simpson & Elizabeth Read; West London; 2; 211
1843 Q2 Birth - Elizabeth Simpson (mmn: Read); West London; 02; 239
1844 Q2 Birth - Thomas Simpson (mmn: Read); West London; 02; 249
1845 Q4 Birth - Zephaniah Simpson (mmn: Read); West London; 02; 245
1846 Q4 Birth - Richard Simpson (mmn: Read); West London; 02; 243
1848 Q2 Birth - Mary Ann Simpson (mmn: Read); West London; 02; 251
1850 Q3 Birth - Emma Simpson (mmn: Reed); Saint Luke, Middlesex; 02; 265
1850 Q4 Birth - Jane Ann Simpson (mmn: Read); Clerkenwell; 03; 85
1852 Q1 Birth - Adeline Simpson (mmn: Read); St James Clerkenwell; 01b; 459
1854 Q3 Birth - Thomas Simpson (mmn: Read); Clerkenwell; 01b; 462
1855 Q2 Birth - Mary Ann Simpson (mmn: Reed); Saint Luke Middlesex; 01b; 520
1861 Q1 Death - Elizabeth Simpson; age 47 (born c1814); Clerkenwell; 01b; 441

I can't find baptisms for all these births so some may not be children of Thomas and Elizabeth.


Marriage:

married: 07 Aug 1842; St Andrew, Holborn; lic
groom: Thomas Simpson; fa; bach; linen draper; 49 Farringdon Street
bride: Elizabeth Read; fa; spin; -; Sidney? Place, Commercial Road
grooms father: Zephaniah Simpson; seaman
brides father: Thomas Read; weaver
witnesses: Zephaniah? Simpson?, ? Simpson?, Elizabeth? Dowell?


Baptisms:

St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields:
02 Oct 1814 Elizabeth Ann Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; Wilks St; Weaver

St Andrew, Holborn:
09 Jul 1843 Elizabeth Simpson; Thomas; Elizabeth; 49 Farringdon St; Linen draper; born 13 Jun 1843
23 Jun 1844 Thomas Simpson; Thomas; Elizabeth Ann; 49 Farringdon St; Linen draper; born 31 May 1844

St Sepulchre, Holborn:
14 Dec 1845 Zepahniah Simpson; Thomas & Elizabeth; Snow? Hill; Linen draper; born 28 Sep 1845

St Mark, Clerkenwell:
20 Oct 1850 Jane Ann Simpson; Thomas & Elizabeth; 18 Holford Square; Linen draper; born 18 Sep 1850
28 Mar 1852 Adeline Simpson; Thomas & Elizabeth; 18 Holford Square; Draper; born 01 Mar 1852
10 Sep 1854 Thomas Simpson; Thomas & Elizabeth; 18 Holford Square; Linen draper; born 22? Aug 1854


Censuses:

1851 Holford Square, Saint James Clerkenwell
Thomas, linen draper, and wife Elizabeth A, born c1814 Spitalfields
Plus children Zephaniah and Jane Ann
Ref HO107; Piece 1517; Folio 453; Page 21;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGFB-6C8
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Re: THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 December 17 19:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi cuffie81, that looks good researching to me, in 1871 Elizabeth was born St Lukes, her death looks to be Elizabeth Read June qtr 1873 Edmonton 3a 138 aged 82
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Re: THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 17 December 17 19:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, whereabouts of Elizabeth Read in 1861 census:-

Elizabeth Read 70 occ Annuitant b St Lukes
Residing at House to Let, Church Road, Edmonton
Census ref RG09/796/46/29
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